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You and Craigsub make very good points and I fully agree. For some of us it not even about Axiom its about the attitude and the willingness of certain individuals to come running any time the word Axiom is used in a forum to spread hate . I generally refer anyone interested in Axiom to visit our humble and friendly forum here.

Never argue with an idiot, people watching don't know who is who.

I guess that it won't die as long as someone like Mr PSA joins the fray. Why he is interjecting in a competitor's (Axiom) thread again (recently at AH), I can't fathom.

This is most tiresome. I think that I'll go upstairs, crank up my Tube Amp, fire up my EP400s/M2s & listen to some Spyro Gyra SACDs - loudly...

TAM

There are certainly a couple of bad apples there forcing their opinions down the throats of others with so called "facts" which are nothing more then nonsense.

The sad reality is that the internet and its opinions can highly effect the success of a company.Companies like Apple have this figured out and rely on it. Where would Apple be without its marketing and success in brain washing their iSheep.

Take SVS. Over at avs they can do no wrong. When I got my pb-2000 and it did not perform as I had hoped it would, the svs crowd blamed everything but the sub. They got more people over there defending them and promoting them that SVS doesn't really need to do marketing themselves.

Now SVS makes a decent product, I am not trying to pick on them. They stepped up and we worked something out and I kept the sub. But they are a perfect example of how AVS has helped them succeed.

Axiom doesn't promote itself enough. I am not sure why. But seeing these two or three jerks over at avs spread their self proclaimed expert advice just infuriates me.

The real issue is that so few happy Axiomites go there and help prop up our favorite speaker. Those of us who take the time to force down these nay sayers just look like fools who are painted as fan boys. I suspect there is more than 3 or 4 people that own an Axiom products and are more than happy with them.

GTsuper24 is quite the vocal "not too fond of Axiom" type of guy. He will be invited to come to our place this fall for a GTG to listen to a few speakers under blind conditions in a pretty good room.

Blind tests, even if they are not a proper double blind, still accomplish a lot.

When this GTG is planned, hopefully someone from here will make sure he knows he is invited.

Pretty sure that he already knows...

TAM

TAM - Supergt24 lives in Ohio - it's no more than a 5 hour drive from us no matter where in Ohio he is. I am pretty sure that what he would find at a GTG is a lot of fun, no agenda, and the chance to listen to some great speakers for himself.

Back when I was reviewing, we had 8 of these GTG's, and they were always a LOT of fun. Friends were made. The bar was open.

I just ordered the first pair of speakers for the long term, floorstander test: A pair of Martin Logan Electromotion ESL Electrostatic Hybrid towers that sell for $2500 per pair.

These speakers will be at the GTG. Axiom is going to have some stiff competition.

"Uhhh...sorry guys...uhhh...cough...cough...came down with something...can't make it..."

Adrian - The invitation to Supergt24 is a genuine invite. Hopefully he will make it.

There was a comment from someone in that thread that dismissed Axiom subwoofers as "no one considers them".

Let's look at the EP-500. It's available for about $1270 from Axiom. It's a single 12 inch, pretty long throw driver.

Powersound Audio has, for about the same $$$, the XS30 SE, which used dual 15 inch, pretty long throw drivers and an 800 watt amp.

Axiom's claimed strong suit is the DSP based amplifier. Powersound counters with dual 15's that have 3.125 times the surface area that the Axiom subwoofer has.

This would also make for an interesting comparison.

When I test a product, I don't care who "wins or loses". It's more about what the product can do in one's system that matters.

As an example ... and this is strictly a hypothetical ... let's say the Axiom sub, when compared to a PSA sub, sounds better, but the PSA sub can deliver 6 dB more output.

We would post why the*/ Axiom sounds better, with the caveat that the PSA will deliver a more powerful experience.

Of course, it's also possible that the PSA sounds better AND is more powerful ... or that the Axiom works better in certain real world situations because it's easier to corner load due to its shape and size.

The point is to do an honest evaluation, and to let others join in on the fun. This is why I purchase all products for review. When one is given a "free sample for review", one is not really entering into a review process with no bias.

So right, Ken. Thanks for re-exposing the Forum Whore issue.