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#411831 - 04/29/15 09:44 AM M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4
TroyD Offline
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OK,
I have M80v3 and was thinking maybe upgrading to the M80v4 HP sometime.
However, I am quite satisfied with the M80's I have. Just wish a tad more bass was there with music.
I really like not to use subs with music. Therefore was thinking M80v4 HP.
However, at $2000 is it really worth the upgrade ?? I can say yes, if that's what I really really want is a tad more bass. However, can this not be adjusted with ARC or Audessy or even a good EQ and REW ?
Currently my setup is two channel as I am displaced for a couple years until I can build a movie room, I can see setting up a 7.1 in my living room.

Then I am looking at the DSP Broadband Digital Signal Processor and looking at what it does with the M80v3 ....it seems that the freq. Graph is even flatter and smooth's out the bass to that of the V4HP .....

My question is, would this DSP and the ARC ( Auto Room Correction ) not just be counter productive ? Would this DSP at $833 be almost as good as buying v4HP.? It definitely looks like it is better than upgrading to plain M80v4's.

Currently my setup is Anthem AVM30 with the Anthem MCA50. in a couple years I want to exchange for a Anthem MRX720 when and if it comes out. and keep the M80v3 or upgrade to M80v5/HP ???
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#411833 - 04/29/15 12:47 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
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I am a huge fan of subs for music; however, one has to choose quality sub(s) that produce accurate, quality sound. Axiom subs have been known over the years to be very 'musical' (whatever that means) but they are not inexpensive.

My twin EP400s are stunning for music (set by ear) as are my EP800s in my HT (800s set by Audyssey for movies). The beauty of sub/sat systems is that one can easily dial in the bass level that suits your fancy. I set mine where they really sound great & then I dial them back a tad. People who hear my M2s/EP400s system are quite astounded by the big sound.

Worth checking out IMO...

TAM

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#411834 - 04/29/15 01:18 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
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I have listened to M80v4 and found that the speaker did an astounding job of bass for the most part. But I had a friend over and he brought a Jeff Beck CD over to have a listen and compare my Axioms to his Totem speakers.

His opinion was that the Axtiom didn't have enough bass and felt like the bottom end of the speaker frequency was a bit soft. I turned up the bass on the receiver and he said that was just perfect. But with that setting, then my Holly Cole was just over emphasized.

I then traded my M80's in for LFR1100 and I would say the same holds true for that Jeff Beck CD with the LFR's that have an extra set of the HP woofers.

If you ask me, I would look at what you have recorded fist before changing a set of speakers. Those M80's are pretty flat to begin with and just flattening them out some more is not going to give you what you are looking for. If the recording was mixed to a monitor that had a lower frequency bump like many speakers do, then when you play that source on a flat properly voiced speaker then you are going to find it lacking in that range.
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#411835 - 04/29/15 01:27 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
Andrew Offline
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Hi Troy,

I know you are (probably) not going to want to hear this, but a pair of M100s would certainly give you what you are looking for in terms of an M80v3 with a tad more bass. Since you are going to be sticking with a 2-channel only setup for a while it might also make sense to look into the LFR1100s as they will give you both more bass and a much larger, enveloping soundstage in stereo.
The M80v4HP will be a better all-round performer than the M80v3, but the difference in bottom end is fairly subtle, unless you are really pushing the system where the lower bass distortion will be evident on the HP.

Andrew

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#411848 - 04/29/15 08:47 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
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Why don't you like to use a sub with music?

My advice is to stick with the M80v3 and get yourself a nice sub.

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#411849 - 04/29/15 09:29 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
TroyD Offline
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Thanks guys
TAM .... just not quite there with the Sub/Sat for music. Movies yes, loved my MK750's and SUBS.
Andrew thanks and yes probably would be, but my room will not accommodate the M100's when it is finished. I am hearing 2 ft from back wall and that would put them 4 ft into the room. My room is going to be 12 x 17. I had 12' x 23' section for the movie room, unfortunately it has become a dream bedroom for my teen daughter. Eventually, it will be mine, just outside my TV room.
That said, looks like I may just have to do a side comparison with the HP's eventually.
MoJo:
No I just can't get into a sub. I like a quick, tight punchy sub. I think if I could have a setup where with movies I could have the EP500's and with music maybe the EP400's.
Just find that subs are a bit too boomy, specially when calibrated for music.
It's kind of like getting a punch to the head by Floyd Mayweather or Ali. There both gonna hurt but, Floyd gonna be a sharp, quick thump, whereas Ali's going to big a thud and still hurt lol.
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#411851 - 04/30/15 01:35 AM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
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"...subs are a bit too boomy, specially when calibrated for music."

Then I would say that the subs you've heard:

a) were situated improperly in a room,
b) were calibrated wrong,
c) were unable to be calibrated properly,
d) simply sucked because they suffered from audible distortion.

I have a $125 sub I purchased from London Drugs in 2003 that would melt your heart in your 12 x 17 room without denting your wallet. I use it with my (now somewhat crippled) Audiobytes and still love the hell out of it.

My buddy bought the Mirage Omni-S10 from Visions for $275 a few months back and after I moved it away from the corner and calibrated it for him, he's in heaven.

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#411852 - 04/30/15 01:44 AM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
exlabdriver Offline
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No boom in either of my rooms. Just clean articulate & powerful bass with both models. If you are hearing boom then something is just not right.

My M2s + EP400s are driven by a puny 35/Ch Tube Integrated Amp; however, my Tubes plus the twin EP400s give me 500W + 500W + 35W + 35W for a total of 1070W of really clean 2 CH power. If you like tight & punchy, the EP400 has it in spades but not for HT in larger rooms.

It is a very potent system that doesn't look at all large...

TAM


Edited by exlabdriver (04/30/15 01:46 AM)

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#411858 - 04/30/15 02:49 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
TroyD Offline
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I guess boomy was not a good choice of wording.
I just prefer the sound better.
I have no doubt the two EP400's would be perfect. Just that little extra size driver, yet good bottom end. Quick and punchy and defininatly more in the area I would like that the M80 will go.
I even mentioned I think the M80's and one EP400 each would probably be awesome.

Why cannot Axiom just build a M80 and make it a tad bigger and put a 8" driver and amp in the bottom from the EP400.
That would be the killer speaker. Play loud, awesome Highs and Mids, Upper bass for the dual 6.5's and bottom end.

This would be exactly what I am looking for. and the amp wattage would not need be 400w.
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#411859 - 04/30/15 02:53 PM Re: M80v3 + DSP vs M80v4 [Re: TroyD]
TroyD Offline
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maybe it is just the receiver I was using as a pro/pro.
I just bought a Anthem AVM30 to go along with my Anthem MCA50.
I will be doing some listening when I connect it all next week.
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