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Thanks BRWSAW
I will try moving them around a bit next week when the new-to-me pre/pro arrives.
I don't want thundering bass, just a bit more umpth
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Hmmm now that the costs of the M80 and M100 are on par with other great brands this could be a next step for Axiom 
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The bigger question should be, has Axiom's prices simply shot up? or has those other brands fallen? Tie that to the second question about quality level between all the brands.
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I don't know what other Canadian brands are doing, but many others out there from the USA & Europe have basically sent all (or most) of their manufacturing off-shore to you know where. While Axiom does build some of their parts over there, much of the process still employs Canadians over here. Unfortunately, manufacturing in Canada often costs more than elsewhere - a distinct disadvantage even with a favourable exchange rate.
I prefer to have my stuff built here, although it is harder to find anymore. Recently it was a factor in our choice of a new car for my daughter - 2015 RAV4 - built in Canada. Unfortunately, the Canadian Corolla plant is moving to Mexico because it is simply cheaper there.
Acquiring one of the darling speaker brands over at AVS seems to be on perpetual hold waiting for product that often is on a slow boat from China...
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Too bad about Canadian Corollas. They have been making them in Canada for 25 years. I have had 2 of them.
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I don't know what other Canadian brands are doing, but many others out there from the USA & Europe have basically sent all (or most) of their manufacturing off-shore to you know where. While Axiom does build some of their parts over there, much of the process still employs Canadians over here. Unfortunately, manufacturing in Canada often costs more than elsewhere - a distinct disadvantage even with a favourable exchange rate.
I prefer to have my stuff built here, although it is harder to find anymore. Recently it was a factor in our choice of a new car for my daughter - 2015 RAV4 - built in Canada. Unfortunately, the Canadian Corolla plant is moving to Mexico because it is simply cheaper there.
Acquiring one of the darling speaker brands over at AVS seems to be on perpetual hold waiting for product that often is on a slow boat from China...
TAM For the automotive industry Mexico is just becoming another China. The average auto worker in Mexico earns between $4-5.00/hr., with benefits $8.00. How do you possibly compete with that and really do we even want to? Ultimately, all this is doing is driving down the standard of living for the middle class in North America.
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They have gone up quite a bit, the past few years. maybe, the other brands haven't increased there prices. I don't know but there use to be quite a difference.
Axiom is still a great product, just where they are priced now is in the same ball park as a lot of other. Now when your looking at a $1800 speaker you have options. Before there was a big enough difference that they others weren't worth the extra dollars.
But, yeh, like the way of MK speakers, they sourced out to China, China made cheap knock offs and pirated there speakers.
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Just get the regular M80's and an EP 500. Don't believe the naysayers. I have two EP500's, the 'regular' M80's and a VP160 in my HT room, and it's the same size as yours. 12' X 18'. All are V4's. The sealed EP500's are great for music, as well as movies.
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Hi Troy,
I know you are (probably) not going to want to hear this, but a pair of M100s would certainly give you what you are looking for in terms of an M80v3 with a tad more bass. Since you are going to be sticking with a 2-channel only setup for a while it might also make sense to look into the LFR1100s as they will give you both more bass and a much larger, enveloping soundstage in stereo.
The M80v4HP will be a better all-round performer than the M80v3, but the difference in bottom end is fairly subtle, unless you are really pushing the system where the lower bass distortion will be evident on the HP.
Andrew
Would having this DSP be the same as running ARC, or Audessey ?
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Hi TroyD,
Systems like ARC or Audessey change the broadband amplitude response of the speaker to try and hit a target response curve measured in your room. We do not think this is a good idea above 300 Hz because, with properly designed speakers, the odds are very high it will actually downgrade the sound quality. The DSP that comes with the LFR series is making the Sound Power Curve and the Listening Window Curve relate to each other in perfect harmony in an anechoic environment. This translates into an enveloping soundstage in your room that is uniquely seductive.
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