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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
Hansang #412208 05/18/15 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hansang
Fredk, it's possible that your RP is the limiting factor...

Having a projector now, I would actually benefit from higher resolution.

When I first got my 50" rptv, I sat 6.5' from it and basked in the glory of1080p. Over time, the viewing distance crept up to 9'. That happened because of the practicalities of room layout and use of space. At that distance, I could still tell the difference between upscaled DVD and 1080p, but that difference was subtle.

Upscaled DVD was quite acceptable and I never hesitated to rent a DVD when the Bluray was not available. Now that I have a projector, that has changed. Upscaled DVD is just plain ugly.

In a world of streaming where the average screen size is 50-60" and the average viewing distance, more than 10', upscaled DVD and the 'not quite 1080P' HD we get from Netflix is good enough for the majority of the market.

At 9' from a 110" screen, 1080P is good enough to deliver a fully immersive experience and stunning visual quality. Average Joe consumer does not need anything more to be satisfied and, as sad as it may seem, average Joe still drives the market.

DVD sales overtook VHS within 8 years of first release. At 10 years post first release, 1080P Buyray is stuck at 30% market share.

I don't think that HD formats will stop at 1080P, I just believe that they will not develop the way past formats have. The limiting factor is hardware. When the average screen size gets up to the 80" range, I think 1080P will become good enough and 4K will be viable for the majority of those that care about the ultimate resolution.

No doubt, having tried that exotic sports car, a small piece of the market will settle for nothing less than a Ferrari. The rest of us will still be ok with the wider distribution of good enough.


PS: Best driving experience. 290 kph in a Porche Carrera GT on the autobahn.


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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
CV #412209 05/18/15 01:11 PM
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PS: Best driving experience. 82 MPH in a Honda Odyssey on my way to visiting Jack.


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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
MarkSJohnson #412213 05/18/15 01:20 PM
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PS: Best driving experience. 82 MPH in a Honda Odyssey on my way to visiting Jack.

Try that same trip in a 1970s mini. With at least 4 people 6' or taller. Waaay better.


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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
Hansang #412214 05/18/15 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hansang
Originally Posted By: fredk
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... Say FRINGE MARKET.

Yup. Bluray is nothing more than a fringe/niche market. Most people don't even have a screen big enough (or sit close enough) for bluray to make a difference let alone UHD.

Heck, with my 50" RP I could barely tell the difference between upscaled DVD and Bluray and I was closer to my screen than most are for something that size.


Fredk, it's possible that your RP is the limiting factor.

When I got the 4K 50" TV, the difference between HD and 4K was palpable. There are many YouTube videos in 4K and it's simply jaw dropping. When you look at animals with fur/feather or human hair, or blades of grass, it's immediately apparent that 4K makes a *huge* difference. To me, it's the same as going from SD to HD. So it's like anything else. If you never fly business class, economy is fine. If you never drive a Ferrari/Porsche 911 GT3, _insert-car-here_ will be just fine.

I'm not being facetious here. Once you experience something better, (better home, better AC, better car, better sound, better glasses, better vacuum) it's hard to go back. smile

hsb


Huge difference from up scaled DVDs to blu Ray on my front projector (106" maybe the reason at 12'-18' viewing distance)
Not just me either,everyone I have demoed for over the years has also agreed

Biggest difference is DETAILS
Some early blu Ray conversions were no better( or not much better) than their DVDs release.....


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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
CV #412265 05/21/15 06:29 PM
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I can and always could tell the difference between up-scaled DVD and good mastered blu-rays. The blu-rays always look so life-like, but a DVD will always represent what older TV pictures look like.

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CV #412267 05/21/15 07:29 PM
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I used to have what was considered a really good upscaling DVD player back when I was in my old house with a 104" screen. I thought that it was a great image. Then I got into HD-DVD and eventually a blu-ray player. They were noticeably better than the upscaled DVD image.

I assume that the UHD will be the same over "upscaled" blu-ray.

I think that the biggest thing is that if you never see UHD content, then you will never know what you are missing, but as soon as you do, that will be all that you want if you want the best possible image.


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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
nickbuol #412270 05/21/15 09:06 PM
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Yeah ,what he said^^^^^^ ++++


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Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray
theskins #412280 05/22/15 07:39 PM
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Also,I'm waiting patiently for 4K projectors to be.............3k or less (2-3 years???)


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