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Everything is moving forward in high gear now for the new AxiomAir (last minute name change). If you go to www.axiom-air.com you will find the beginnings of the final look and feel of the interface. Clicking on the opening Logo takes you to the main page. We would love to know your thoughts and questions on how it is coming along.
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The site graphics reminds me very much of XBMC from 10 years ago.
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Working on a mobile site for on the go listening? Site works for phones but is a little unwieldy.
So far the site you have is easy to use and self explanatory - good stuff. Wonder if there is a way to merge the NAS/USB split that you have in the GUI somewhere in a setup menu so the end user doesn't have to remember where their music is - so if the device can contact the NAS and has USB attached it refers to a merged list of music on the 2 sources.
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One of the great features of AxiomAir is that you do not need to put all your music in our library to make it work. You could actually set up a Playlist or add to the Coming Up Next list songs from both your NAS and the USB drive. If someone arrived and wanted to play a song resident on their phone they could just join your network and play it. They do not need to load it into your library first.
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So you pull from file folders rather than indexing the metadata in the music files?
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Technical question: Will the AxiomAir be controllable by software (though REST API, for example)? Or are the calls like Vol+, Vol- straight HTTP or AJAX calls?
The reason is that to be 100% usable with my home servers, I need to control the "receiver/amplifier" portion of the AxiomAir (the content and play can be done using UPnP).
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In an all-Apple environment, what would AxiomAir add to existing apps, e.g. Music, Remote, Podcasts? Direct volume control is one thing I can see, but not sure what other advantages AxiomAir would offer.
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A merged library display is an interesting idea, and certainly something we can look at. Currently our Favourites and Playlist databases work in a merged manner: you can pull tracks from a variety of sources and they will all appear together. Thanks for the idea! Andrew Working on a mobile site for on the go listening? Site works for phones but is a little unwieldy.
So far the site you have is easy to use and self explanatory - good stuff. Wonder if there is a way to merge the NAS/USB split that you have in the GUI somewhere in a setup menu so the end user doesn't have to remember where their music is - so if the device can contact the NAS and has USB attached it refers to a merged list of music on the 2 sources.
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So you pull from file folders rather than indexing the metadata in the music files? Correct, we index the file folder structure in a flat file database in the background and pull individual file metadata when an action is performed on the specific track (adding to Favourites, Playlist, Playback, etc.). Our music server component is built upon MPD, so much of the data handling is based on that core software. Thanks, Andrew
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Technical question: Will the AxiomAir be controllable by software (though REST API, for example)? Or are the calls like Vol+, Vol- straight HTTP or AJAX calls?
The reason is that to be 100% usable with my home servers, I need to control the "receiver/amplifier" portion of the AxiomAir (the content and play can be done using UPnP). I'll pass your specific questions on to our programmer, but in the meantime you could investigate the possibility of integrating your control calls with a standard Linux playback client for MPD. I'm sure that volume controls would be easy to access and one of the great aspects of our system is that it is open source. We welcome programmers and "under the hood" types to experiment and add their own features to our platform, some of which might be of general enough interest to add to the official distribution. Thanks, Andrew
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In an all-Apple environment, what would AxiomAir add to existing apps, e.g. Music, Remote, Podcasts? Direct volume control is one thing I can see, but not sure what other advantages AxiomAir would offer. This is a very interesting question and it speaks to one of the core features of our system: flexibility. Within a complete Apple ecosystem, a single AxiomAir could simply be treated as an AirPlay speaker, playing back audio from your iPhone, iPad, or iTunes. You use the interfaces you know and are familiar with and there is no learning curve. The only addition here is fantastic audio quality. However, what if a friend or relative visits with a new song on their device that they really want you to hear, and it happens to be an Android device? You could certainly connect the device to your computer running iTunes and copy over the file, add it to iTunes, and play it back over your existing interface (I won't comment on the legal copyright aspects of doing that!). Hopefully the file is in a format that iTunes can deal with...something like FLAC would need to be converted first, or a plugin added to iTunes. All pretty clunky compared to just streaming the song over uPnP to AxiomAir directly! The other benefit is multi-room. The AirPlay standard does not support multi-room or sync, except in a rudimentary manner from iTunes 10 onward. A whole home system of AxiomAirs can simply connect to your existing iTunes music folder and provide seamless, in sync, whole home audio. So really the choice is in your hands, AxiomAir is flexible enough to allow you to choose how you want to use it. Thanks, Andrew
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Thanks, Andrew, that all makes sense to me. Do you know yet what the upgrade path and costs will be for existing LFR preamp/amp/DPS's?
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Just tried the site from my smart phone. Very good job in making it pretty and usable from a phone. Pass my congrats to you designer.
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Here is a link to a video with Andrew explaining the features of the interface AxiomAir Interface Video
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Ian or Andrew, have you figured out how to run a family of curves for the AxiomAir? If so, are you using a DSP in the product to shape the response?
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Being that this model of the AxiomAir is a pair of M3s we had most of the hard work already done. We do the family curves based on one channel at a time without the use of a DSP.
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I can honestly say it's the best front end to MPD I have ever seen. Software is rock solid but most of the user interfaces are really old school looking. Nice work!
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Being that this model of the AxiomAir is a pair of M3s... I see :-)
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Can't wait for it to come out, looks great.
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We are finally ready to do the pre-launch of AxiomAir. We thought since it is such an exciting new category of product for us that it not only deserved a new logo but also an exciting new approach to the launch itself. Today AxiomAir goes live on Kickstarter at AxiomAir
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Ian and Andrew, there really is no way I cannot back this project. I know both of you have dedicated your lives to audio. I really do hope one day the industry recognizes all the risks you've taken, the innovations you've spawned and your tireless efforts to offer high end audio to the masses. The videos really did bring tears to my eyes. Here...have all my money...LOL!
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OK, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I will in the thought that there might be other potential customers that are in the same place on the learning curve.
I have all my music ripped to 320kbps MP3s, and they reside on a separate internal drive on my main business computer. I sometimes play those tracks through another computer that's hardwired onto that network, because this second computer ties into my mixing console and Mackie monitors. BUT..... I have some network issues here that haven't allowed every other device to "see" those audio files on the main computer.
So, I buy the new AxiomAir. I sit it in my office and I assume it will play those tracks by retrieving them via wireless. I can also plug in a USB memory stick with tracks, it seems. (Is there a set of RCA line-level inputs to make use of the amp/speaker system from, say, a TV's "audio out"?)
OK, now I move the AxiomAir to my back porch. Let's assume that the WiFi signal strength is still OK for it to retrieve those files from my office PC. I can control these tracks via my Smartphone or a Android Tablet?
But what is the AxiomAir's WiFi hot spot generator doing for me? Aren't I on my
home" WiFi network?
Sorry for the "newbie" questions. I REALLY liked the videos on the Kickstarter page. I want to sign on. But as a neophyte in music streaming, I have to wrap my head around exactly what it will do for me.
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BTW, good to see you MoJo! 
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Oooops- I might have locked on to understanding the WiFi hotspot: If, say, I'm on a beach where I DON'T have access to the music files on my home network, the AxiomAir's WiFi hotspot allows the AxiomAir to pull music off my phone... or from a friend's phone who is there as well.
Do we BOTH have user interfaces? I know the video mentioned interconnect-ability among other people....
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I'm exited about this product. I've mentioned before that I have been waiting for it. Although I did end up buying M3s and an VP180 in the mean time. I guess I am not very good at waiting.
Knowing Axiom, I believe I know the answer to this. However, I was just chuckling at a guy at the office here recently who was recently disappointed in a similar Kickstarter scenario to my question.
The way the rewards are worded could be open a bit to interpretation. For instance the 475$ pledge reads,
"You'll get ... AxiomAir at a savings of more than $320!"
Can you please specify if this means...
a.) I will submit a $470 pledge and I will later receive an AxiomAir.
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b.) I will submit a $470 pledge and I will later have an opportunity to purchase an AxiomAire at 320 off the purchase price?
If I get this wrong, I will have to stop teasing my co-worker and we can't have that.
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Hi Mojo,
Thank you so much for your kind words. Audio is such a fun business, challenging and frustrating from time to time, but those times aside it is one of those things that gets into your soul and I love it.
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Ian and Andrew, there really is no way I cannot back this project. I know both of you have dedicated your lives to audio. I really do hope one day the industry recognizes all the risks you've taken, the innovations you've spawned and your tireless efforts to offer high end audio to the masses. The videos really did bring tears to my eyes. Here...have all my money...LOL! Thank you for the VERY kind comments Mojo! It's refreshing to hear, particularly after you have spent nearly three years toiling on a project that your just KNOW is going to bring better portable and wireless sound to everyone. After all, that is what Ian and I do, day in and day out: We try to make peoples lives better and more fulfilled through their enjoyment of music through good sound!
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Hi Murph,
It is a). When production begins you get one of the very fist ones to come into existence. At the end of the campaign (late July) we will contact everyone who purchased one on Kickstarter and find out what customization they would like.
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Hey Mark, I'll answer your questions in order: Yes, our system will retrieve your music files on your main computer over your WiFi network. You also have the option of plugging in an ethernet cable if you have some issue with WiFi in a particular location. For an analog connection from a TV or any other device with an audio output, there is a 1/8" (3.5mm) jack on the front of the AxiomAir system. You can control the tracks with our user interface that is available on any web browser. Looks like you figured out the hotspot. Any device that is connected to the network where AxiomAir resides (the hotspot or your home WiFi network) can bring up the interface. So yes, each user will have access to the interface. Thanks for your questions and comments! Andrew
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Fantastic, Andrew! Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I've never really made any use of products to stream audio. I spend my days in front of a traditional system, and have systems in every other room I spend any time in at all. But the AxiomAir intrigues me with it's well-thought out capability. I just might have to try to find a use for one!
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Thanks for clarifying Ian. I knew Axiom would never be as sneaky as this other campaign I mentioned. Your wording was just strikingly similar. Luckily, buddy at work here is only out $65.
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And done. Summer on the deck will finally have tunage without dragging M60s out the door.
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Great looking product - congratulations on all of your hard work. The M3 heart of the system should really sound fine.
The tremendous capabilities of this unit really highlights what kind of a dinosaur I am. I still play only CD/SACDs & have never downloaded nor streamed music ever.
I wouldn't know where to begin!! So I'll start with one burning question. Since I have such a large collection of CDs, could my favourite few be just copied to a USB Stick & played that way? I realize that the files would be large & would eat up USB space pretty quickly.
Any hints on getting into downloading or streaming music (I can't believe that I'm making such a leap!!) would be appreciated...
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I am very interested in backing the project. A few questions.
I have a good 2TB of music in FLAC sitting on a Synology NAS. Right now I am using the Synology DS Audio to stream music to my iPad and Nexus tablet. I know I am not getting the best sound out of that but it's wireless. I also have a windows HTPC running FooBar2000 that maps to my music share.
How does the AxiomAir connect to a network computer? or NAS? am I setting it up in the same wifi and then putting in my login credentials using CIFS or SMB or AFP?? You mention on the kickstart about UPnP but that would be a method to stream to the unit from another user interface device. When I am sitting outside 'chillin' I'd still want the best sound quality possible. Does the Air act as the central processor pulling the music from the sources, or is it just a receiving device with a speaker/amp to simply play the music?
Lot's of questions all in there... but might as well get the technical out the way as I am taking the leap with knowledge and experience with your other products that it will sound good.
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Mark, I'll be using it on the deck, at the park, at work, at friends' places,...
BTW, it looks like Ian didn't ask for enough money :-).
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Can someone show me where the slot is for my eight tracks?
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Dinosaur or not, I just pledged at $475...
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Question, what type of battery is powering this unit?
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Don't forget to order port plugs :-).
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I have a new problem now. I can't decide on the colors. I might have to get one of each.
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Great looking product - congratulations on all of your hard work. The M3 heart of the system should really sound fine.
The tremendous capabilities of this unit really highlights what kind of a dinosaur I am. I still play only CD/SACDs & have never downloaded nor streamed music ever.
I wouldn't know where to begin!! So I'll start with one burning question. Since I have such a large collection of CDs, could my favourite few be just copied to a USB Stick & played that way? I realize that the files would be large & would eat up USB space pretty quickly.
Any hints on getting into downloading or streaming music (I can't believe that I'm making such a leap!!) would be appreciated...
TAM Hey TAM, Thanks for the kind words! It's a VERY simple process to "rip" your CDs and transfer the files to a USB stick. Plug the stick into the front of the AxiomAir and you're good to go. I'm a big fan of a program called dBPoweramp. They have a free trial and it will rip your CD to any file format you like, along with setting up all the CD information and the cover art. If you use something like dBPoweramp you can convert your CD to FLAC or ALAC which will result in much smaller files, and you will lose no fidelity. One other great capability of the AxiomAir is the ability to play FREE webradio stations. There are thousands available in any musical genre you can name, and many have excellent sound quality. Andrew
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I have a new problem now. I can't decide on the colors. I might have to get one of each. The beauty is that you have a month to decide!
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How does the AxiomAir connect to a network computer? or NAS? am I setting it up in the same wifi and then putting in my login credentials using CIFS or SMB or AFP?? You mention on the kickstart about UPnP but that would be a method to stream to the unit from another user interface device. When I am sitting outside 'chillin' I'd still want the best sound quality possible. Does the Air act as the central processor pulling the music from the sources, or is it just a receiving device with a speaker/amp to simply play the music? Hi Matt, AxiomAir connects to your NAS or shared network drive through SMB/CIFS or NFS if you're a Linux user. One of the great features of AxiomAir is that it is BOTH a music server, and a receiver. So you can connect it to your entire music library when you are in the house, with AxiomAir indexing and serving up anything in that library, and then go outside by the pool and stream some tunes from your phone directly to the system. In most cases out there wireless speakers are either servers or receivers...ours is both! Thanks, Andrew
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Damn it, Andrew. Why weren't the top colors implemented in software?
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Are those the die cast high-powered woofers I spy in there?
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So I am to take it that if you get your $75k in backing, that you will make this product. Over the past hour, I have seen the pledge number double, and if it keeps up, you'll get that before the day it through.
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Andrew, the only thing missing from this little beauty is high fidelity bass. I understand the physics but at least let the first 40Hz of usable bandwidth escape to my ears through a subwoofer jack. It would be so sweet if you offered that and even more sweet if you freed the woofers from that duty when a sub is plugged in. Pretty please...I haven't asked for anything from you guys for years:-). I'll pay more!
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Feature Suggestion: For people with teenagers, it might be worth considering having a maximum volume that could be unlocked with a pin. That way, it only gets as loud as you want, but could be unlocked when you leave the house!
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Andrew:
Thanks for the info. Now I start another journey into this wonderful pastime where I thought that I would never go.
I look forward to meeting you in Sep at the bash - if you aren't totally burnt out by then, ha!!
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Just thought I'd drop in to say this speaker looks pretty neat!
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Just made a pledge and hope you guys surpass your goal. This is just what I was looking for and more, bravo!
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Ian On the technical video at the 1:36 mark the section with Vlad Muller, he talks about the customizable grill that I do see as an option at the bottom of kickstarter. But then he goes on to talk about anodized aluminium.
I gathered from the kickstarter the unit comes in black or white. Can we get a unit in Anodized Aluminium too? That would be totally awesome with a custom real wood top.
I know that your site doesn't say real wood.. If it isn't, can we talk about getting a template for the top section so I can cut my own. I have a really nice piece of cocobolo sitting in my woodshop that would make a wicked top for my unit. Get me the shape I need and I will cut it out and ship it up for you to put onto mine.
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Been away for a bit doing the doctor thing again. But this is really sweet looking. Very slick design. Sadly I have more important commitments right now but congrats to Axiom for putting together such a nice piece. Hope you guys get the recognition you deserve.
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I was thinking of the anodized aluminum too. But then I had a closer look at the black and I have to say I really think the drivers look wicked through the grill. I hope the drivers are black and have an inverted dust cap.
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Also, one more question. On the axiom air web interface link that is on page 1. you have radio and radio favourites. what radio options are going to ship default with the unit? will is support things like spotify ??
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Andrew, regarding the UI, the master volume will be a frequently used control. The usability would be improved if we didn't have to scroll the page to access it.
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Hi Matt,
We were thinking of a selection of anodized aluminium tops.
The top on AxiomAir is actually removable by the owner if you want to switch it out at any time.
The stock tops are black or white gloss plastic, the wooden tops are real wood. For the one you take outside all the time the stock top is the most water resistant.
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Please let us know the amp-hr rating of the battery...or even better...the discharge curves.
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Info on the mini-projector would be great. I could maybe use that on the deck or in the living room.
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Ian On the technical video at the 1:36 mark the section with Vlad Muller, he talks about the customizable grill that I do see as an option at the bottom of kickstarter. But then he goes on to talk about anodized aluminium.
I gathered from the kickstarter the unit comes in black or white. Can we get a unit in Anodized Aluminium too? That would be totally awesome with a custom real wood top.
I know that your site doesn't say real wood.. If it isn't, can we talk about getting a template for the top section so I can cut my own. I have a really nice piece of cocobolo sitting in my woodshop that would make a wicked top for my unit. Get me the shape I need and I will cut it out and ship it up for you to put onto mine. You should check your email. They are offering free real-wood upgrades to the unit for existing customers.
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Hi Andrew. Will the 150W supply for audio be shared with the charging system for the battery? I'm hoping you have a separate charger board with its own switching transformer or at least a well-filtered winding off the main switching transformer.
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OK, this likely flies in the face of the very point of having the AxiomAir, but.....
Is there an output from the DAC stage? In other words, can I sit it next to a receiver that otherwise doesn't have networking capability to allow the wireless reception of sources, but feed said sources into my big system?
The initial thought that I had was in my workshop, but this is too nice to be exposed to the sawdust that I raise twice a year(!). I wondered it it could be used as a source-only to the receiver and old DJ speakers I keep down there, allowing the A^A to sit in a dust-free box.
Yes, I'm already starting to abbreviate it's name.
Still trying to justify this to the CFO.
Edit: Along the dame lines, is there a headphone jack?
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The way I see it, if you want to use headphones, just use your phone. Now a sub out jack...that's a different story. I'm going to be listening to 150 clean watts through drivers that have a family of curves so depriving me of subbage is a mortal sin!
Sorry Mark. Are you still glad I'm back :-)?
I should also explain that I don't listen to a quarter watt anymore. I need power, baby! :-)
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Hi Andrew. Will the 150W supply for audio be shared with the charging system for the battery? I'm hoping you have a separate charger board with its own switching transformer or at least a well-filtered winding off the main switching transformer. What I was told when I phoned Axiom about batteries, the unit charges the batteries on the same circuit, but not at the expense of the power requirements for the amp. So, if you have the unit full on, then the batteries will be getting a dribble charge.
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Hmmm...I see. Thanks. I can live with that. If I detect any sonic differences while the batteries are charging, I'll pop them out for the listening session. It's a bit of a hassle but the alternative is worse :-).
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How about a PureDirect mode that disables the charger?
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Or, why don't you plug the unit into the wall and let the batteries fully charge before listening it it?? Or seeing as the batteries for the unit are optional, don't buy the batteries and run it off the mains power all the time. Then you won't have to worry about any potential loss from power getting diverted from the power supply to play your music.
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I need the batteries for nice days when I go to parks. Then when I get back home, I might want to listen to it while the batteries are charging.
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In anticipation of the AxiomAir, has anyone dealt with this FLAC downloading service based in the UK? It seems to have a quite extensive library including SACDs: https://allflac.com/Or are there other ones closer to home that may be as good? TAM
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No, but that's a good find, Tom.
Do I have this right? I can download entire albums for a couple of bucks?
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I don't really know as I haven't tried it yet - but it seems so...
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Ya, I just sampled it - it rocks. Can't go wrong for less than 2 bucks!!
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Now Tom...why would you want to sacrifice that bass if you were listening to the AxiomAir? Imagine how complete the AxiomAir would sound with one of them there EP400s sucking that suuuhhhweeet bass out of it!
We just have to get Andrew to see it our way.
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.why would you want to sacrifice that bass if you were listening to the AxiomAir? Imagine how complete the AxiomAir would sound with one of them there EP400s sucking that suuuhhhweeet bass out of it! And does your Sub also use batteries so that you get all that bass when you are out at the park?? Perhaps you should invest in a pair of EP800's and some LFR1100 with an ADA1500-4 for your home so you can get a feeling of what really good sound is like,
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No sub at the park. Just on my deck as I said before.
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I'm really liking how the AxiomAir is turning out. I know I'll regret not snagging one at the introductory price, but I have too many other immediate expenses. Perhaps waiting won't be such a bad thing. As has been mentioned, this wasn't planned as a single product, but as a platform, so I'm looking forward to seeing what else is in store.
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Hi Mark, Do you mean something like this below that contains just the Pi and the DAC? Thereby allowing you to make any of your "wired" systems work like the AxiomAir. 
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Ian, thank you so much for the response! I wasn't thinking so much of a separate unit as much as maybe an optical out or even a 1/8" headphone/line level output from the existing design, allowing it to operate as a full-function standalone piece or as a receiving source for a bigger system as well. Of course, I was only thinking along these lines for economy of production; I have no idea of the market for a device like that above, since I'm only now wrapping my head around the uses for a product like the AxiomAir. I was talking to Joyce about it last night and likened the A^A to a TiVo...which we adopted to pretty early. We found that when we tried to explain to others how TiVo changed the way we watched TV, many couldn't really wrap their heads fully around it. I think it took using one for a few weeks before you realized that you could totally re-think how your TV is used to watch broadcasted shows. My gut feeling is that a product like the AxiomAir will change the way I listen to, and enjoy, music.... even if I'm not sure how yet!
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Ian, my use case for this AxiomAir gateway would be my soon-to-be dedicated two-channel set-up. My amplifier for this set-up is functionally minimal. It has RCA inputs, no optical or HDMI but surprisingly, it has a USB input for MP3 players. I see the gateway has RCA outputs for interfacing to my amp.
I would love to have a subwoofer in my two-channel (2.1?) set-up but I don't have a sub out from the amp. If you had a sub out jack on the gateway, you'd open up the possibility of me buying a sub.
In fact, you may be able to treat more ears to your subwoofers if you had a sub out on the AxiomAir.
As for my main system, I can't see how I would use this gateway. There isn't enough of a differentiator between my Onk and the AxiomAir at this time.
I also have some input on the market about subs but I will send you an e-mail about that.
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Do you mean something like this below that contains just the Pi and the DAC? Thereby allowing you to make any of your "wired" systems work like the AxiomAir. I would find a use for something like this.
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Question for the kickstarter. It doesn't say if we are getting billed in CAD or USA? The price difference with an exchange rate does add up to a good $130+ difference between the two currencies.
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Hi Mark, Do you mean something like this below that contains just the Pi and the DAC? Thereby allowing you to make any of your "wired" systems work like the AxiomAir. Ian, It would be interesting to see if there is any demand for the Pi, DAC, AND AMP in a self contained package. I have a pair of M3's being driven by an old receiver and an Apple Airport Express for streaming. It would be great to get rid of the old beast, and replace it with this - It would fit the bill perfectly. Plus the power upgrade wouldn't hurt either.
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Ian, in thinking about the above design you posted, I realize that it WOULD be something I would be interested in as well, although the form factor being similar to the AxiomAir is not necessary in my case.
I was thinking last night that such a unit, at a reduced cost without the amp, drivers, crossover and possibly the elegant form factor would allow someone like me (who has multiple "traditional" systems everywhere I spend any time) to STILL offer room-to-room "whole house" music continuity at a less-expensive cost than buying a full AxiomAir for each location.
I guess this is really what a SONOS system offers....I've never really checked into that. But it would keep within the A^A architecture and GUI interface.
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Well, I kicked my starter in the butt and bought one.
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Hi Matt,
It is all in USD at Kickstarter but we are including the GST/HST everywhere in Canada.
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I was beginning to think these conversations were taking the usual path of "please turn your new product into more than most people afford because we all want our wishlist added.....".
Then looking at the image of the separate DAC, I realized there is an opportunity for add-ons. That way we can have both.
All I really wanted was a really good sounding wireless speaker system. Then I realized my Squeezebox has aged a lot. It aged well but must be nearing failure. A separate DAC to feed my upstairs stereo and keep it synchronized with the AxiomAire out on the deck would be something I would eventually buy.
It solves my current weakness of really only playing music inside or outside right now. And if it's a separate unit, it becomes flexible in both it's positioning and pricing.
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Marketing idea:
Set up a tunage filled NAS at September's event accommodations and put a unit in every room with an offer to purchase it (then or after production) at a discounted price. I doubt security of the devices would be an issue with this type of crowd but it could be worked into the security deposit with the help of the accommodations.
If nothing else, it would be the topic of conversation all weekend.
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It solves my current weakness of really only playing music inside or outside right now.
What other choices do the rest of us have? Edit: I knew what you meant, Andy!
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Do want. But I can't justify the expense at the moment.
I'm with Murph, though. I am still using a Squeezebox and definitely looking for some other method for streaming. So a unit with the Pi and DAC is very interesting.
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It solves my current weakness of really only playing music inside or outside right now.
What other choices do the rest of us have? Edit: I knew what you meant, Andy! I was thinking that a lot of people have Sonos, or Sonos style, setups where music is synced across multiple portable speakers or portable amps. I'm sure some of these people must use the technology outside.
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Ian. Are we going to get the system specs for the new air at some point like we have for all your other speakers? ie, the SPL freq resp graph and +/-3 db range?
I had a good chuckle as Sonos when someone on their forum asked about the frequency response for the Play 5 and was told by one of the company reps:
You're correct, we don't post those specifics. We've found that in most cases with multiple, independently amplified speakers all contained in one unit a simple frequency measurement isn't going to give you a very good idea on how it sounds. We encourage everyone to listen for themselves and make their minds up.
I just think to Dr. Floyd Toole, and well, frequency graphs do give you an idea as to how the speaker will sound.
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Ian. Are we going to get the system specs for the new air at some point like we have for all your other speakers? ie, the SPL freq resp graph and +/-3 db range?
I had a good chuckle as Sonos when someone on their forum asked about the frequency response for the Play 5 and was told by one of the company reps:
You're correct, we don't post those specifics. We've found that in most cases with multiple, independently amplified speakers all contained in one unit a simple frequency measurement isn't going to give you a very good idea on how it sounds. We encourage everyone to listen for themselves and make their minds up.
I just think to Dr. Floyd Toole, and well, frequency graphs do give you an idea as to how the speaker will sound. Just look at an Axiom M3 frequency response graph. That's basically what it is. It would be measuring the same tweeter and the same 6.5' drive unit that is in the Air (same crossover etc). The only thing that should differ greatly is below the Schroeder frequency. The specs state the same frequency response but with the larger box of the ported M3 bookshelf, the amplitude it can put out at the low end should be greater than the Air.
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Just look at an Axiom M3 frequency response graph. That's basically what it is. It would be measuring the same tweeter and the same 6.5' drive unit that is in the Air (same crossover etc). The only thing that should differ greatly is below the Schroeder frequency. The specs state the same frequency response but with the larger box of the ported M3 bookshelf, the amplitude it can put out at the low end should be greater than the Air.
I don't think so as it's all packaged in a completely different shaped box with a different orientation of the speakers. If what you said was true, then the upper part of the graphs would all be identical between the M2, M3, M22. They are not.
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Just look at an Axiom M3 frequency response graph. That's basically what it is. It would be measuring the same tweeter and the same 6.5' drive unit that is in the Air (same crossover etc). The only thing that should differ greatly is below the Schroeder frequency. The specs state the same frequency response but with the larger box of the ported M3 bookshelf, the amplitude it can put out at the low end should be greater than the Air.
I don't think so as it's all packaged in a completely different shaped box with a different orientation of the speakers. If what you said was true, then the upper part of the graphs would all be identical between the M2, M3, M22. They are not. I don't think it would be measured as a stereo pair. The upper parts of the graph between the models are different probably because of the use of different configurations, crossover point between the midrange/woofer and HF unit, crossover slope etc. I think all these factors would have an impact on the summed frequency response.
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On the kickstarter Q/A it was posted Our DAC module is based on the 32bit/384kHz capable PCM5102A from Ti. We have put a significant amount of effort into designing extremely low noise analog power supplies and isolating the DAC from noise generated by the Pi. but Andrew posted on CanukAudioMart There is a dedicated, high quality DAC capable of high resolution files up to 24bit/192kHz in the AxiomAir. It uses ultra low noise analog power supplies and is connected to the Pi via I2S. This is a far better method than using a USB DAC as the Pi has some bus limitations that compromise it for audio use. Not to pick fault, but what DAC are we getting. I'd rather have the 32/384 PCM5102A unit.. or is it that but in real integration in the system, it will only run at 24/192?
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Hi Matt,
The DAC is theoretically capable of 32bit/384kHz, but our current implementation is only stable up to 24bit/192kHz. We are continuing to test even higher resolutions, but until we start to see available material at higher resolutions become commonplace it will be fairly low on the priority list.
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Only 11 more left of the original 200 ($475 pledge) and then some of the multiple buys. I find it very interesting to see how pledges seem to pop up every so often. You will get a spurt and have 3-4 new ones added, then it may be 3-4 hours then another pops up.
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Andrew. As we are still in the pre-production stage... have you thought of adding something like this Wolfson Audio Card onto that air. It would then make it a multi media powerhouse as it could be integrated into a higher audio system, and allow for external devices to stream into it. Just a thought as it's already designed and built.
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Andrew. As we are still in the pre-production stage... have you thought of adding something like this Wolfson Audio Card onto that air. It would then make it a multi media powerhouse as it could be integrated into a higher audio system, and allow for external devices to stream into it. Just a thought as it's already designed and built. Hi Matt, Well, there are a few reasons why we won't use this or any other existing DAC, and I'll detail them below. But first, what do you think it would bring to the table to make AxiomAir into a multimedia power house? The digital input? On to why we won't use this solution: Our dedicated DAC is already designed, tested, and prototyped and it offers excellent performance. The Wolfson solution does not use ultra low noise power supplies. The Wolfson solution is only capable of 24bit/48kHz. The Wolfson solution is only compatible with Raspberry Pis that are now two generations old. And finally, Wolfson has little to no support of the background Kernel changes required to make this board/chip work correctly with the Pi. Check out comments on various forums. Thanks, Andrew
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You guys are really making me want one. Horrible timing.
Well done, Andrew!
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You guys are really making me want one. Horrible timing. Yeah, I'm thinking I may be suckered into getting one. It may end up going to my dad, since I think he would get a ton more use out of it, but I could definitely see borrowing it for taking to the park or wherever.
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I'm going to use mine mostly as a high quality kitchen radio & occasionally a music machine being run through my nearby Toshiba Laptop.
My present 'real radio' (Tivoli) just doesn't get good reception from my radio stations in Vancouver or Bellingham, WA (~100 miles away) where it is situated now at the wrong end of the house for reception...
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Andrew. you are correct in wanting the best clean sound that you can get from the unit. I read a post on another forum where someone wanted a digital in and did a quick search and found that.
But thinking about it more, I would rather have a product that does the 1 thing it was really designed to do very well, than trying to make it into a does everything box but will end up doing it all half assed.
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I don't know if it was the AxiomAir or another product, but I read recently of a shutoff timer and wake up to music timer. Was that the A^A?
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Hi Mark, Do you mean something like this below that contains just the Pi and the DAC? Thereby allowing you to make any of your "wired" systems work like the AxiomAir. I'm old, slow and just left the '90s. How is this different from a Pi with spdif out to talk to a receiver (your main system)? That is what I was looking at as a replacement for streaming music to my 2808 now that the desktop that I was using is dead. I don't know if it was the AxiomAir or another product, but I read recently of a shutoff timer and wake up to music timer. Was that the A^A? Now that I would really like! Then I could wake up every morning to Pink Floyd's Time.
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Come one people.. just another 6k more to go so that we can crack that $150,000 mark and get Ian happy. ( 106k and he'll be ecstatic ).
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Do want. But I can't justify the expense at the moment.
I'm with Murph, though. I am still using a Squeezebox and definitely looking for some other method for streaming. So a unit with the Pi and DAC is very interesting. I'm currently using a Pi with a DAC very similar to the picture Ian posted. The Pi runs a Linux distribution called Squeezeplug, which includes a Squeezebox and Airport emulators. The DAC is also connected via 12S, and it's all in a nice perspex case. It's from a small Scottish company called IqAudio. Having said that, I'm totally blown away by the AxiomAir! I'll see if I can scrape together enough to back it. Shane
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So i see that one of the options for later purchase is a battery. Does this mean for the $495 price it does not include a battery and must be plugged in or is the upgrade for an extra or extended life battery?
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Been following this for awhile but I've been away for a month. Couple of Q before I consider dropping for a multi pack 1) I'd want to control this all from JRiver's Media Center, so: - what protocol can I use to "push" to the speakers (DLNA / Airplay / Other)? - is there any quality issue using DLNA (etc) to push media over the speakers pulling from the server - can I config them (through the Axiom Air App) to appear as one or a group of speakers? - if configured as a group how does multi room sync work, and what protocol/system do you use between to keep them in sync? 2) Networking Qs - Wifi Hotspot : one issue if using the WiFi hotspot on Axiom Air is I presume both the speaker and the device then loses access to the Main House network so your media must be on either the device or the Axiom USB port.... or ??? - Will the Axiom Air auto pick Ethernet over Wifi without reconfiguration (eg if my Axiom Air mostly lives on Ethernet but I unplug it to do portable will it then grab my WiFi that I've previously configured then return to Ethernet when plugged back in)? Thanks Nathan
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Been following this for awhile but I've been away for a month. Couple of Q before I consider dropping for a multi pack 1) I'd want to control this all from JRiver's Media Center, so: - what protocol can I use to "push" to the speakers (DLNA / Airplay / Other)? - is there any quality issue using DLNA (etc) to push media over the speakers pulling from the server - can I config them (through the Axiom Air App) to appear as one or a group of speakers? - if configured as a group how does multi room sync work, and what protocol/system do you use between to keep them in sync? 2) Networking Qs - Wifi Hotspot : one issue if using the WiFi hotspot on Axiom Air is I presume both the speaker and the device then loses access to the Main House network so your media must be on either the device or the Axiom USB port.... or ??? - Will the Axiom Air auto pick Ethernet over Wifi without reconfiguration (eg if my Axiom Air mostly lives on Ethernet but I unplug it to do portable will it then grab my WiFi that I've previously configured then return to Ethernet when plugged back in)? Thanks Nathan Great questions. So does this mean I couldn't stream spotify on my wifi and be connected to my axiom air at the same time?
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Thank you, Shane. That is very interesting.
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Great questions. So does this mean I couldn't stream spotify on my wifi and be connected to my axiom air at the same time?
That question is not as simple to answer. The AA can make it's own network if there is not any other around to connect to. Where the fun part comes in is if you want to stream music from your phone that is already streaming from another source. This might be a functional limitation of the phone and it's ability to have both a cell connection to the internet and connect to an external wifi at the same time. I don't believe that my LG phone can do that. However, I can turn my cell phone into a wifi hot spot, and then there would be a wifi network that the AA could connect to rather than make it's own adhoc one. But then you sort of give up the multiple people.
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Ian, let's cut to the chase: Will there be blue LEDs?
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This thread is a very good example as to why I just can't jump on board with the AxiomAir. I love the idea. I love the look of it. But beyond that, there's too many unknowns. And this is not some cheap speaker. Even at the kickstarter costs it's over $600 CDN!! And after that they say $300 more? Holy @#$%
Now I get it. This isn't some Logitech, Bose or Philips fidelio nonsense. With no reviews to go by, no specifics on the gui, no real battery tests, and no idea what this is actually going to sound like.....you get where I'm going with this.
I would love to try it, but something tells me to not try the 1st gen. I know I'm paranoid. Axiom makes great stuff, so there's that to consider but this is also Axiom's first attempt at such a thing as well.
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I understand your feeling, and trust me, I am feeling them too. But I did make the commitment. I guess there is that hope it will sound good, but reality is there isn't something to benchmark it against.
You are correct that $600+ is quite a hefty price tag for a remote speaker. I know we all love to put on the audiophile hat, but at some point we make compromises. Like have you replaced the audio system inside your car and upgraded the soundproofing and put in acoustic treatments to make it the best is possibly can? Or do you just live with the car sounding like a car because it makes little sense to try and change it?
I don't know if I really need a $600 portable speaker for carrying around outside. I just hope that I do get some great enjoyment out of the investment.
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It's unfortunate, but I won't be able to gather the funds before the campaign is over. I know what you're all saying about 1st gen. I'll catch them in the next round.
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I heard a fully mocked up prototype and I heard one of their "in progress" testbed (blind A/B test) and it does sound very nice, and connectivity was really slick. That was back in February when I was at Axiom. I just remember how much emphasis was going into the testing,electronically, acoustically, and using human ears with one goal in mind... to get it right the first time.
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So i see that one of the options for later purchase is a battery. Does this mean for the $495 price it does not include a battery and must be plugged in or is the upgrade for an extra or extended life battery? Hi, The AxiomAir does not come with a battery, it is optional and can be added for a discounted $68 if you back our Kickstarter. We did it this way because many people will never make use of the battery, so we are passing on the savings to that crowd. One thing that everyone should keep in mind is that the battery is expensive for a reason. With a true 150 watt amplifier inside, we need an extremely large capacity battery pack. We are using the latest LiFePO4 battery technology for less weight and longer life. This is not your typical $15 pack for powering a 10 watt amplifier! Thanks, Andrew
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Hi Nathan,
For pushing audio to the AxiomAir you can use either AirPlay or uPnP/DLNA. If you have higher than CD resolution files uPnP/DLNA is the preferred method as the AirPlay standard does not really support highrez. You can group multiple AxiomAirs in any way you wish by using our web interface. Our system for sync is a proprietary protocol.
The hotspot is really only for use when you do not have access to your home WiFi network. When using the hotspot you can stream music files from a connected device, or from a USB drive. If your phone supports it, you can stream from the cloud using cellular data while connected to the WiFi hotspot. Ethernet is automatically given priority and the system will fall back to the WiFi connection when your LAN is disconnected.
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This thread is a very good example as to why I just can't jump on board with the AxiomAir. I love the idea. I love the look of it. But beyond that, there's too many unknowns. And this is not some cheap speaker. Even at the kickstarter costs it's over $600 CDN!! And after that they say $300 more? Holy @#$%
Now I get it. This isn't some Logitech, Bose or Philips fidelio nonsense. With no reviews to go by, no specifics on the gui, no real battery tests, and no idea what this is actually going to sound like.....you get where I'm going with this.
I would love to try it, but something tells me to not try the 1st gen. I know I'm paranoid. Axiom makes great stuff, so there's that to consider but this is also Axiom's first attempt at such a thing as well.
Hi newf, I happy to answer any questions that you might have that we have not covered. I believe that our reputation speaks for itself in terms of our ability to engineer great sounding amplifiers and loudspeakers. The performance of the AxiomAir is on par with a pair of our M3 bookshelf speakers driven with a powerful amplifier. Our DAC technology has been outlined and we have been open about the software we are developing. I'm not sure what part of the UI is an unknown...we have a full video on our Kickstarter page showing the operation of the UI in detail, and yes, we have performed numerous tests on various battery pack samples. We have fully operational prototype systems and reviews will be in the works once we have production representative samples. Please let me know if there is something that we have not made clear and I'll be happy to answer! Thanks, Andrew
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And? Blue LED lights? 
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And? Blue LED lights? At least one Mark!
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My buddies and I purchased the AxiomAir purely on faith. Once I watched the video on Kickstarter and had a chance to wrap my head around what was being engineered, as an audiophile, I not only supported it, I evangelized it. I saw what Ian and Andrew were trying to do and I bought into that vision.
As for the cost, there's only one thing that can drive it down and that's volume. It's a shame actually that Axiom doesn't do a better job of exposing to the world the emotion and experience its products are capable of delivering. Why is it that after 5 or 6 years on the market, the EP800 is still one of Axiom's best-kept secrets?
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As for the cost, there's only one thing that can drive it down and that's volume. It's a shame actually that Axiom doesn't do a better job of exposing to the world the emotion and experience its products are capable of delivering. Why is it that after 5 or 6 years on the market, the EP800 is still one of Axiom's best-kept secrets? I don't think it is as simple as that. To the general masses, there just is not desire for great sound. Apple did a great number to music in making portability over quality.. most think that 128mp3 through earbuds is as good as they need. Gone are the days of Audio trade shows where manufacturers show case their latest speaker design and beauty paired with quality are able to sell. My hope with the air is that it keeps companies like Axiom alive and profitable long enough for when the resurgence of the Audiophile comes back into vogue there will be around to truly prosper and deliver the promise to the new masses.
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It's not about great sound. It's about the emotion...the experience. My buddies aren't audiophiles. But they were moved by the first video on the Kickstarter page. Of course when they get it, and listen to it, the sound will reinforce the experience the video talked about and the circle for the listener will close.
I believe this is the mistake Axiom is making. Advertising has to be engineered.
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Hi Nathan,
For pushing audio to the AxiomAir you can use either AirPlay or uPnP/DLNA. If you have higher than CD resolution files uPnP/DLNA is the preferred method as the AirPlay standard does not really support highrez. You can group multiple AxiomAirs in any way you wish by using our web interface. Our system for sync is a proprietary protocol.
The hotspot is really only for use when you do not have access to your home WiFi network. When using the hotspot you can stream music files from a connected device, or from a USB drive. If your phone supports it, you can stream from the cloud using cellular data while connected to the WiFi hotspot. Ethernet is automatically given priority and the system will fall back to the WiFi connection when your LAN is disconnected.
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Thanks Andrew - Sounds good. Final couple of Q's: - If I group the AxiomAirs will they then appear as one DLNA/UPnP device on the network and handle in sync playback between themselves? - If I group the AxiomAirs will they then appear as one Airplay device on the network and handle in sync playback between themselves? - Is there a Line Level or headphone out (so I can occasionally feed a PA system from one of the AA) - I understand the Airplay quality limits, but do you support 24/192 bit over DLNA/UPnP ? Thanks Nathan
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Thinking about it - it would be good to also be ably to by an "Axiom Air Upgrade" that just had the Pi/DAC etc so you could connect the smarts to an existing system making it part of the Axiom Air ecosystem. An idea for later?
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I am in with the kickstarter . Now where is that fancy link to the free Flac files ? I am suprised you guyz dont have a forum built for the quality files for sharing .I am willing to rip some of my cd collection to flac
I need to start building a nice audio library again . The MP3,s just dont cut it anymore .
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I just re-read all the info on the AxiomAir and re-watched all the videos. This thing is going to be awesome!
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Being in Canada, every morning I cringe as the price of this unit goes up and up and up.
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RIGHT ON!!!!
A subwoofer output! Ian and Andrew ROCK!
Andrew you really deserve that ring. You lived up to your ritual of the calling of an engineer and didn't strand that first 30 Hz.
Wooooohooooo!!!!!
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I might buy one of those pre-amp modules if it has the right I/O. Please let us know what the I/O is when available.
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So, when you buy one on Kickstarter, are you charged right away or upon delivery?
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I believe you are charged when the project is "started". In this case, "started" = in 3 days.
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As for the pre-amp module, please include sub out on that as well. One of the use cases of the module is to "modernize" vintage or minimalist set-ups which lack a sub out.
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I am seriously thinking of pulling out as just because of the exchange rate change over the past month, the cost of this unit has jumped for us from $545 CAD to $604 CAD.
I don't know if I can stomach and additional 13% price hike in the cost of this unit from when I made the pledge to what I will be paying now. And it looks like the CAD is slipping even further down into the black hole. By the time they bill me, I fear I will be paying closer to $700 CAD for something that I thought was costing me far less.
Can't blame Axiom as it's the way KickStarter works. But then again, they can't blame us Canadian customers if we pull out as the cost now is no where near the cost then.
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Mojo, where did you get the info that there will be a sub out?
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You asked for it – you’ve got it! We’re adding a subwoofer output to the AxiomAir. Even though the AxiomAir is designed to not need a subwoofer we had numerous requests to have one anyway just in case you wanted really low pounding bass. It’s just one more thing AxiomAir owners have the freedom to choose. And a SNEAK PEEK for our fans: we are also developing a pre-amp version of the Air. It can be used to make your wired system show up as an AxiomAir device in the AxiomAir interface. That means if you have an existing wired system somewhere in your house, you can now add it to the AxiomAir Interface and stream music to it, just like you can to your Air. You can also add it to multi-room groups in the interface so that you have the same music playing on your AxiomAir and in the room that system is in. Perfect for parties! This new product will be available for pre-purchase at www.axiomaudio.com sometime in August and will be ready to ship in November. It’s hard to believe a whole month has gone by, but there are only THREE days left in our Kickstarter Campaign. If you or someone you know has been waiting to get in on the action, wait no longer! Join the AxiomAir revolution and get the freedom to hear great sound everywhere you want to be. Thanks to everyone who has been spreading the word – your support has made this exciting project possible and I really appreciate it. Cheers, Ian
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I still can't find the post, but either way, a sub out sounds great! I like the idea of a pre-amp version even more, though. I'm sure someone at Axiom tossed it around over the last few years, but I think I'm the one who mentioned it first here, so I'm taking credit for that one! Mojo, you get credit for the sub-out! ::High-Fives MoJo!::
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Just saw the email from KickStarter.
I was checking for an Axiom Newsletter!
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I was talking to Deb, and she had said that the price after kickstarter was not going to be the $795 as it had originally been posted on Kickstarter. That number has since been removed.
I know my ears sometimes plays tricks on me, but I think it was costing closer to the $600 CAD mark.
If that is the case, then you are at best getting a 10% savings on the cost of the unit if you live in Ontario, but if you live in Alberta, after the conversion from US to CAD, you might be just breaking even.
Can someone at Axiom please confirm the after KickStarter price??
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According to my email, my Kickstarter Pledge was $475 USD to be charged on 12 Jul if the campaign was successful.
In my haste, I didn't realize that it was in USD when I pulled the trigger...
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I might buy one of those pre-amp modules if it has the right I/O. Please let us know what the I/O is when available. Think of it as just another "component" that you plug into your existing system like a Tuner/CD/DVD/BluRay/etc. It has a power button on the front with an indicator led, and around back there is a pair of left/right RCAs, a power jack for connecting a small "wall wart" power supply, two USB jacks for USB drives, and an Ethernet port. Volume control and source switching are handled by your existing pre-amp/receiver/processor/integrated amp. Inside are the same low noise power supplies, high resolution DAC, and Raspberry Pi2B as the AxiomAir portable. Thanks, Andrew
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I might buy one of those pre-amp modules if it has the right I/O. Please let us know what the I/O is when available. Think of it as just another "component" that you plug into your existing system like a Tuner/CD/DVD/BluRay/etc. It has a power button on the front with an indicator led, and around back there is a pair of left/right RCAs, a power jack for connecting a small "wall wart" power supply, two USB jacks for USB drives, and an Ethernet port. Volume control and source switching are handled by your existing pre-amp/receiver/processor/integrated amp. Inside are the same low noise power supplies, high resolution DAC, and Raspberry Pi2B as the AxiomAir portable. Thanks, Andrew I should clarify the Ethernet jack...the pre-amp module still has WiFi capability, but because this is a component that will sit on your equipment stand, you might wish to use an available LAN connection instead.
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Hi Matt,
Let me clarify this for you. The price on Kickstarter now is USD $497. That works out to CDN $633.55 at today’s exchange rate. If you paid the USD $475 amount it works out to CDN $605.50. Since we are including the sales tax that makes it CDN $535.84 in Ontario and CDN $576.67 in Alberta. Kickstarter will charge your credit card on July 12.
Once Kickstarter ends we will continue to offer pre-purchase discounts on the AxiomAir that increase each week until we are at USD $799 around mid-September. The lowest we would likely start would be USD $517. and CDN $605. This would make the tax included price CDN $683.65 in Ontario and CDN $635.25 in Alberta. This means that it was still worthwhile to have purchased on Kickstarter no matter your location.
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Andrew - just a bump on these questions prior to the closing:
Thanks Andrew - Sounds good. Final couple of Q's:
- If I group the AxiomAirs will they then appear as one DLNA/UPnP device on the network and handle in sync playback between themselves?
- If I group the AxiomAirs will they then appear as one Airplay device on the network and handle in sync playback between themselves?
- Is there a Line Level or headphone out (so I can occasionally feed a PA system from one of the AA)
- I understand the Airplay quality limits, but do you support 24/192 bit over DLNA/UPnP ?
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I might buy one of those pre-amp modules if it has the right I/O. Please let us know what the I/O is when available. Think of it as just another "component" that you plug into your existing system like a Tuner/CD/DVD/BluRay/etc. It has a power button on the front with an indicator led, and around back there is a pair of left/right RCAs, a power jack for connecting a small "wall wart" power supply, two USB jacks for USB drives, and an Ethernet port. Volume control and source switching are handled by your existing pre-amp/receiver/processor/integrated amp. Inside are the same low noise power supplies, high resolution DAC, and Raspberry Pi2B as the AxiomAir portable. Thanks, Andrew I should clarify the Ethernet jack...the pre-amp module still has WiFi capability, but because this is a component that will sit on your equipment stand, you might wish to use an available LAN connection instead. How about getting rid of the power switch and one USB port and giving us a subwoofer out instead? I know the light is important to Mark :-).
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Matt, you will be very sorry if we all have one and you don't.
When we all say things like "Oh whoa! This AA is so awesome. And its sub out is so smooth and TIGHT!", you won't have a clue what we're talking about.
You'll be so left behind because our AAs will be totally portable and your LFRs won't be.
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Mojo, you get credit for the sub-out!
::High-Fives MoJo!::
Thanks, Mark. I never did get high fives for the EP800 :-). By the way, are you missing thumbs on both hands?
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Volume control and source switching are handled by your existing pre-amp/receiver/processor/integrated amp On the pre-amp only, you will still be able to control the volume from the smart phone app, correct? +1 for the sub out.
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Hi Nathan,
- If I group the AxiomAirs will they then appear as one DLNA/UPnP device on the network and handle in sync playback between themselves?
I'm waiting on an answer from our programmer to confirm this, but I believe that it will work as you have described.
- If I group the AxiomAirs will they then appear as one Airplay device on the network and handle in sync playback between themselves?
An AirPlay stream cannot be broadcast to other AxiomAirs. We'd love to include this capability, but Apple forbids it.
- Is there a Line Level or headphone out (so I can occasionally feed a PA system from one of the AA)
No, just a summed-mono subwoofer line level output.
- I understand the Airplay quality limits, but do you support 24/192 bit over DLNA/UPnP ?
24/192 works fine over UPnP. I have tesed this both from Android devices using BubbleUPnP and from a PC running Foobar.
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How about getting rid of the power switch and one USB port and giving us a subwoofer out instead? I know the light is important to Mark :-). Hi Mojo, A subwoofer output on the pre-amp module would not work. If we offered one the volume level of your sub would not change when you changed the volume on your pre-amp/processor/receiver. I would just drive the sub from either line level outputs of speaker outputs on your system. Thanks, Andrew
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On the pre-amp only, you will still be able to control the volume from the smart phone app, correct? Yes, the software volume control still works from either your remote devices or our web interface.
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Does the Air itself have a physical volume control? If not, I would strongly recommend one. Having to fiddle with a phone to turn down the volume, mute it, or pause playback isn't great.
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I am seriously thinking of pulling out as just because of the exchange rate change over the past month, the cost of this unit has jumped for us from $545 CAD to $604 CAD.
Hey Matt, What rate were you using to get $545? I checked back at the closing rates and on the day we started our Kickstarter the Canadian price works out to $585.24 and at yesterday's close was $604.29. So the delta is only $19 or 4%. Thanks, Andrew
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I am seriously thinking of pulling out as just because of the exchange rate change over the past month, the cost of this unit has jumped for us from $545 CAD to $604 CAD.
I don't know if I can stomach and additional 13% price hike in the cost of this unit from when I made the pledge to what I will be paying now. And it looks like the CAD is slipping even further down into the black hole. By the time they bill me, I fear I will be paying closer to $700 CAD for something that I thought was costing me far less.
Can't blame Axiom as it's the way KickStarter works. But then again, they can't blame us Canadian customers if we pull out as the cost now is no where near the cost then. Yeah things aren't cheap in Canada are they. I have a hard time swallowing $600 bucks for this thing when I already have portable speakers in the house...granted they probably aren't anywhere near as good but that is only something I can assume as this point. I fear when this thing hits the 700-800 CDN price point it'll be product suicide. I'm sure it is a difficult task to try to price something accordingly.
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During the Kickstarter, the unit is priced similarly to a pair of M3's, so you're getting the amp, DAC and other electronics for free. That is incredible value.
Even after that, if you accept that the M3's represent a decent value, the upcharge for the electronics seems very reasonable to me, and certainly competitive with other premium audio brands. And this thing simply does MORE than just about any other competing platform out there.
Now, I personally can't afford it due to other priorities AND I don't have any unmet needs that it satisfies. But I think this is a very remarkable product at a fair price.
I would absolutely consider the DAC/Pre-amp thingy as a successor to my squeezebox in the future.
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How about getting rid of the power switch and one USB port and giving us a subwoofer out instead? I know the light is important to Mark :-). Hi Mojo, A subwoofer output on the pre-amp module would not work. If we offered one the volume level of your sub would not change when you changed the volume on your pre-amp/processor/receiver. I would just drive the sub from either line level outputs of speaker outputs on your system. I was going to fix the volume on my minimalist receiver and use the software volume control.
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Does the Air itself have a physical volume control? If not, I would strongly recommend one. Having to fiddle with a phone to turn down the volume, mute it, or pause playback isn't great. It would be "nice" but not necessary :-p. It adds cost, impacts lead time and increases MTBF :-).
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I am seriously thinking of pulling out as just because of the exchange rate change over the past month, the cost of this unit has jumped for us from $545 CAD to $604 CAD.
I don't know if I can stomach and additional 13% price hike in the cost of this unit from when I made the pledge to what I will be paying now. And it looks like the CAD is slipping even further down into the black hole. By the time they bill me, I fear I will be paying closer to $700 CAD for something that I thought was costing me far less.
Can't blame Axiom as it's the way KickStarter works. But then again, they can't blame us Canadian customers if we pull out as the cost now is no where near the cost then. Yeah things aren't cheap in Canada are they. I have a hard time swallowing $600 bucks for this thing when I already have portable speakers in the house...granted they probably aren't anywhere near as good but that is only something I can assume as this point. I fear when this thing hits the 700-800 CDN price point it'll be product suicide. I'm sure it is a difficult task to try to price something accordingly. Volume, volume, volume. It needs more VOLUME!
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Pull out then! You will want one later when we all say how great it is and then you can pay more. I`m going to use this at work so it will be used more than my house system. I have a spot for it on my golf cart too, so it will get more use than at work.  I think it will be the cats a$$ and I`m sticking to my guns and supporting Axiom. So it`s going to cost more than we thought..........
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Pull out then! You will want one later when we all say how great it is and then you can pay more. I`m going to use this at work so it will be used more than my house system. I have a spot for it on my golf cart too, so it will get more use than at work. I think it will be the cats a$$ and I`m sticking to my guns and supporting Axiom. So it`s going to cost more than we thought.......... Yeah...that's the idea! And remember to strap a subwoofer on top of your golf cart because now you have a sub out jack, baby. BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
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How much weight does the battery pack add?
Are you going to release a stand for it? would be nice to have a stand with some matching wood accents on it.
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I vote for a stand too.
I'd like the stand to be an 8" sealed cube, with a 7.5" driver, and a 3" x-max. That will give us 110 dB at 29Hz and 3 feet. Good enough unless you're listening to contra-bassoons and pipe organs.
Call that the EP100 v2, slap a price tag of $400 on it, and I'll buy it.
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If your going to ask for a sub, at least ask for a Wireless one! There's all kinds of wireless subwoofer kits they could build into the Air.
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I'll take wireless but I don't want to pay more than $400.
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what about heat? how is the unit dealing with heat? just vents?
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Well Done! 171K Raised and 355 units sold I'm in for a couple and looking forward to the add on option as well!
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The product page is up: http://www.axiomaudio.com/axiomair-n3?ut...er_preorder#t-3I am very curious to see what the chrome grill looks like.It's very hard to tell from the image on the "customize yours" page.
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Fitst post. Been an axiom owner since 2009. Love my 7.1 set up from Axiom.
So today I was charged $475 US. As of todays rate, i will be charged $602 CAD plus the 2.5 % charged by credit card companies when it's purchased outside Canada. (Kickstarter is based in New York). Axiom started at the website with $579 cad plus $56 for the wood top option( free during kickstarter upon submitting your pledge to Axiom which I did). There is only 5% tax in Alberta so after all the calculations I only save $50 CAD dollars. Better than nothing I guess but some saved $375 as what kickstarter said. Wherebis justice? I should get at least a free battery...
Congrats on Axiom though for a successful start.
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... Better than nothing I guess but some saved $375 as what kickstarter said.... What do you mean by the above statement?
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Darn, I was seriously considering getting one on kickstarter, I thought the kickstarter ended on the 12th, as in including the 12th. Had family issues yesterday, was too busy to order.
Oh well. I screwed up there. 13% tax here so the kickstarter was the better deal, even more so when batteries/wood finishes are added.
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There doesn't appear to be much difference between the Kickstarter price and the pre-production price other than the free wood top.
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Hi Mojo.
$375 savings when they started the project. I'm guessing this savings is from original price once they are fully priced by October.
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Hi AquaT. Yes, I agree with that.
I thought it was gracious of Axiom to give us free wood tops and discounts on the accessories.
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There doesn't appear to be much difference between the Kickstarter price and the pre-production price other than the free wood top. 13% tax, and higher prices for wood top/battery. It's another +$150 for me now for the speaker, wooden top and 9hr battery - so I'm out. I was on the fence about it anyways. I would have liked to try it for my own use of course but I think we could use these at work at as well. My department buys all the A/V stuff for our University. Something like this would be good for people to take out and use in small rooms. All wireless, multiple users connect to it with their phones etc. All things harder to accomplish with a PA system or setting up speakers/mixers.
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Andrew or Ian, can you reveal a bit more info:
- At 1:20 into the video, I spied an inverted dust cap on the woofer. At other parts of the video, I saw the regular dust cap. I'm excited at the prospect of an inverted dust cap because, if properly accounted into the design, we can expect greater linearity without a sacrifice in bass extension.
- At 1:38, I spied cast baskets. Is this for real?
- At 2:34, we see the chrome grill. At 1:05 and 3:03, we see the black grill. The drivers are clearly visible through the black grill but apparently not the chrome grill. Although I like the chrome grill, visibility of the drivers is more important to me than grill color. Based on the video, I would go with the black grill. Can you comment on my observations?
- Is the grill removable? Like Vlad says, the dominant aesthetic feature of the industrial design is the grill BUT my Axioms sound distinctly better to me and others with the grill removed. I don't know if that will be the case with the AxiomAir or if the industrial design relies on the grill for structural integrity but I had to ask.
- How much dynamic headroom can we expect? The Kickstarter page suggests 5 x 150W. Is this for real? If so, is this headroom available from AC and battery power?
I don't know how others feel about this. I am not opposed to swapping out hardware if there are problems provided it's relatively easy to do so and the packaging is not compromised in the retrofit. If it's not easy, I'd prefer a delay in shipping to ensure robustness.
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I was on the fence about it anyways....I think we could use these at work at as well. My department buys all the A/V stuff for our University. Something like this would be good for people to take out and use in small rooms. I had the same thought. As for the price, it's really tough to swallow $900Can for this. I know it's not the same as the competition but the vast majority out there, like OakvilleMatt said, can't differentiate. The only way to drive down cost is through volume. Axiom needs quantities of 10,000 units per year to eliminate price barriers.
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Is there easy access to physically get to the Pi if needed (for maint / upgraded units etc)?
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Is anyone using Rdio?
http://www.shaw.ca/rdio/?utm_source=big-picture&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Stream%2BRdio%2Bon%2BCanada%27s%2Blarges&utm_content=Text%2BLink&utm_campaign=big-picture-2015-07&emid=em-2015-07-16-bp-L11
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So it seems this thread is dead since the Kickstarter finished. A shame as I had a few questions that went unanswered which is part of the reason why I kept delaying the purchase to the point where I stupidly missed it. It seems like nobody else's Q's are being answered either?
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Everyone at Axiom is busy working on the Air. They're building in the high power drivers with inverted dust caps, making sure it has a million hours MTBF, dynamic headroom of 5 times continuous power and less than 1 femtovolt of ripple on the power supply rails. Oh...and a subwoofer output on the Air gateway.
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I wouldn't mind some opinions on this either. The option for Rdio just came up on our Sonos the other day, that i noticed anyway.
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There doesn't appear to be much difference between the Kickstarter price and the pre-production price other than the free wood top. 13% tax, and higher prices for wood top/battery. It's another +$150 for me now for the speaker, wooden top and 9hr battery - so I'm out. I was on the fence about it anyways. I would have liked to try it for my own use of course but I think we could use these at work at as well. My department buys all the A/V stuff for our University. Something like this would be good for people to take out and use in small rooms. All wireless, multiple users connect to it with their phones etc. All things harder to accomplish with a PA system or setting up speakers/mixers. I was also on the fence, but it came down to answering one simple question: Where and how often would i use it? Ok so i suppose those are two questions. Having the Sonos setup throughout the house alleviates any necessity for portability in this area. Don't travel much with campers or things of that nature so, where would we use it? I just couldn't come up with any $500 useful purposes so i passed. However, i have two friends that signed up for them so i plan on testing out the functionality, battery life and sound quality when they finally arrive. It really is a fantastic idea, far more advanced than anything i've come across while searching for good wireless audio setups.
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I'm thinking they should have had a longer kick starter. I think the kickstarter price was fair, so if you got one good for you.
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I wouldn't mind some opinions on this either. The option for Rdio just came up on our Sonos the other day, that i noticed anyway. Mike, check out earbits.com. I can't stop listening to the blues channel.
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what about heat? how is the unit dealing with heat? just vents? My apologies for not being active in this thread over the past couple of weeks...we have been VERY busy working on AxiomAir! The power amplifier and its power supply are the only areas of concern for cooling, and it and the heasinking attached to it have been placed inside the enclosure in a location that is in the direct path of air flow exiting the port. So, we are dealing with the heat through heatsinking and both convective and "forced air" cooling. Thanks, Andrew
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what about heat? how is the unit dealing with heat? just vents? My apologies for not being active in this thread over the past couple of weeks...we have been VERY busy working on AxiomAir! The power amplifier and its power supply are the only areas of concern for cooling, and it and the heasinking attached to it have been placed inside the enclosure in a location that is in the direct path of air flow exiting the port. So, we are dealing with the heat through heatsinking and both convective and "forced air" cooling. Thanks, Andrew So...all of you port plug lovers are SOL :-). I for one am very happy to hear no moving parts are required for cooling. I had no doubt. Just please make sure there's no bleating or farting artifacts.
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Andrew or Ian, can you reveal a bit more info:
- At 1:20 into the video, I spied an inverted dust cap on the woofer. At other parts of the video, I saw the regular dust cap. I'm excited at the prospect of an inverted dust cap because, if properly accounted into the design, we can expect greater linearity without a sacrifice in bass extension.
- At 1:38, I spied cast baskets. Is this for real?
- At 2:34, we see the chrome grill. At 1:05 and 3:03, we see the black grill. The drivers are clearly visible through the black grill but apparently not the chrome grill. Although I like the chrome grill, visibility of the drivers is more important to me than grill color. Based on the video, I would go with the black grill. Can you comment on my observations?
- Is the grill removable? Like Vlad says, the dominant aesthetic feature of the industrial design is the grill BUT my Axioms sound distinctly better to me and others with the grill removed. I don't know if that will be the case with the AxiomAir or if the industrial design relies on the grill for structural integrity but I had to ask.
- How much dynamic headroom can we expect? The Kickstarter page suggests 5 x 150W. Is this for real? If so, is this headroom available from AC and battery power?
I don't know how others feel about this. I am not opposed to swapping out hardware if there are problems provided it's relatively easy to do so and the packaging is not compromised in the retrofit. If it's not easy, I'd prefer a delay in shipping to ensure robustness. Hi Mojo, The dust cap on the woofers is our conventional convex dust cap...an inverted dust cap buys you nothing in terms of off-axis performance or linearity, in fact it hinders it. Sorry...that shot was an early prototype...the production woofers will be made with our high-gauge stamped baskets. I find that your observation is correct, even though it is kind of counterintuitive. You would think that the black drivers would be more visible with a white grille, but they stand out the most with the black grille. The chrome grille is somewhere in between. The grille is removable for servicing only, so we don't recommend it. It's not difficult to do, but there is a high likelihood that you would damage or kink the grille in the process of swapping it out. Keep in mind that the tops CAN be changed out anytime you'd like. They are held on with magnets. Dynamic headroom is approximately 4-5 times the max continuous power, and it's available from either power source. Thanks, Andrew
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Thank you for taking the time out to answer the questions, Andrew. Very useful info.
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Is there easy access to physically get to the Pi if needed (for maint / upgraded units etc)? Hi jmone, The Pi and DAC can be accessed by taking out four screws and removing an access panel on the bottom of the AxiomAir. This will allow you to service, upgrade, or change the SD card in the future should it be required. Thanks, Andrew
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How much weight does the battery pack add?
Are you going to release a stand for it? would be nice to have a stand with some matching wood accents on it.
Hi newf, Each battery pack weighs approximately 2 pounds. We will not know the final weight until tooling has been completed. Thanks, Andrew
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Ok...now that I _think_ I have covered off all of the outstanding questions, how about some feature additions and updates? Volume control: There is a physical volume control knob on the bottom front of the unit behind an access door. This is the same area where the power button, USB ports, and indicator LEDs are located. The volume control only works on the analog input. This allows you to plug something like a CD player directly into AxiomAir, even though most CD players do not have a volume control. The same goes for some TV analog outs. For all of the digital streams (AirPlay, UPnP, web radio, NAS, USB, etc.) the volume can be controlled from either the streaming device or our web interface. We will also be adding a maximum volume level setting with password protection if you'd like to limit listening levels...for the kids or maybe your visiting Mother-in-law who insists on rocking out too late into the night! 3.5mm jacks: We have had a large number of backers ask about using AxiomAir with their TV. Of course this is possible as long as your TV has an analog output. In order to make the connection cleaner, we are adding a duplicate 3.5mm jack on the back of AxiomAir to easily allow you to hide the wires. This input is in parallel to the 3.5mm jack on the front, so you can only use one at a time. Selecting the analog input, rather than the digital stream, is via a button on our web interface. This means that you can leave an analog source like a TV or CD player plugged in all the time and switch between it and streaming audio remotely. Spotify integration: Maybe...fingers crossed! TIDAL integration: YES, AxiomAir will have it! Rdio integration: We have not really looked closely at Rdio yet as it seems to be a less popular player in the streaming music marketplace, but it is something that could be added if there is demand sometime down the road. Thanks, Andrew
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