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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422943 01/30/17 03:19 PM
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That's a nice offer and I may take you up on it.... the WOW assistance not the PJ give away. Ha! I've used WOW a lot too and really don't feel it's a calibration issue. I will spend time in the manual for the PJ, DVD and AVR and see if I can find the 4:2:2 settings. I haven't seen anything like that.

Still considering just selling the PJ and upgrading. Nick mentioned a JVC, any specific model? Anyone else have suggestions?


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Re: Projector upgrade
AAAA #422944 01/30/17 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Serenity_Now
Your projector is fine. Its a color space issue.

Change your bluray output to 4:2:2. Change your AVR to bypass. Change your PJ to 4:2:2. Turn off dithering for now. Turn off any deep black etc settings for now.

It is not an issue with the PJ being broken. If you cant fix it I'll take it off your hands. smile. It is a setting somewhere.

You should have just 1 calibrated setting.... If you want I can walk you through settings and using WOW correctly. I've done about 20 displays with it.


Yup, that is what I mentioned too. Seems like a viable reason for the issue.


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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422945 01/30/17 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted By aarons

Still considering just selling the PJ and upgrading. Nick mentioned a JVC, any specific model? Anyone else have suggestions?


For something under $5000, you have a lot of options. Any of the current JVCs will really be impressive. The Epson line-up is pretty solid too. Avoid any low end (as reflected by price) Epson and you will be OK.

Also be weary of side-by-side specs for contrast. JVC has the most "honest" (if you can call it that) contrast ratios. By that, I mean that you might see a 50,000:1 ratio on a JVC and a 1,000,000:1 on another brand, and the JVC will will out in real world tests. Not always, but just something to consider. The other specs don't get skewed as much.


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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422948 01/30/17 05:31 PM
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Okay,

Seems like Projectorpeople.com are going to help with direct discussion with Panasonic for me for now.

Going to try a new cable tonight.... Otherwise....

opinions on these choices?

JVC DLA-RS420

Sony VPL-HW65ES

Epson 5040UB


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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422949 01/30/17 06:40 PM
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Just listening to this now. Just hit the 4:09 mark, which sums up most of the industry's opinion of JVC projectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAPI_LAfSZQ

That being said, you picked 3 very popular models from 3 different companies making good projectors.

The video also hits things like real contrast/dynamic range vs. the over-inflated specs like the Epson claims at 1,000,000:1 and why JVC's native dynamic range is so good, even though the spec is "only" 40,000:1 or there abouts in comparison.

The Sony tops out at 1080p.
The Epson and JVC do faux-K, so the image will look sharper and closer to real 4K.

The Sony has a 3 year warranty vs 2 years on the Epson and JVC.

My pick though, looking at all of those pros/cons (even the "cons" are still pretty good specs on all models), then factoring in that Sony and even more so for Epson use a fake-ish method for getting contrast ratio vs a much more realistic rating on the JVC, and I would pick the JVC all day long.



The Sony and JVC use their own flavors of LCOS (SXRD for Sony and I-DLA for JVC). LCOS is generally considered superior to LCD like in the Epson.

The Epson can crank out 2500 ANSI lumens at high power, vs 1800 for the Sony and JVC. Again, these aren't always "higher is better" since the LCOS is a better technology at the same ANSI lumens, so those are all probably a wash in real world use.

Sony and Epson basically turn their projectors on to full power inside a pitch black room/test area, calibrate to output the brightest possible "white" as possible, open the iris on the lens all the way, and put their meter just in front of the lens. Grab that reading, and then they turn off the projector completed (as it is OFF) and then measure that black, and compare the difference.

JVC uses the same dark room/test area, calibrate to be a bright image, open the iris, measure the bright white, but instead of turning the projector off, they then tell the projector to display a black, so the projector is still on, the iris is still open, and the projector calibration is NOT changed, and then compare the difference. So both readings are with the projector being on, and no changes outside of "display and measure white" and then, without changing anything, "display and measure black."

Someone did a "real native" contrast test on a few projectors back when I looked at JVC, and even with the much lower spec, the JVC outperformed the others pretty handily which is why I chose JVC back in December 2011 (I can't believe that is has been 5 years since I pre-orderded it)...



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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422952 01/31/17 12:32 AM
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Lots of great stuff. I visited a local home theater store and discussed all of this with their sales staff. The owner was also chiming in and by the end of the hour long conversation I ended up buying and JVC X750RBU that they had in stock. Bumped my price up close to $5k but I'm looking forward to improved images in my theater room. They have a 30 day return policy although with a restocking fee of 10%. I was just sick of trying to get the better image from my Panasonic. Oh and it was not the cable. Tried that before hitting the store.


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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422953 01/31/17 12:44 AM
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Looking forward to hearing about the joy of experiencing your new projector , keep us posted.


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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422958 01/31/17 03:54 AM
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For the price the Epson 5040UB is unbelievable. You will scratch your head saying is that 4K, it can't be, sure looks close.


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Re: Projector upgrade
aarons #422965 01/31/17 10:27 AM
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Congrats Aarons! cool

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aarons #422969 01/31/17 01:44 PM
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Wow!!! Straight out of the box, before any calibration amazingly clear picture. Black levels deep as can be. I did a double feature Star Trek 2009 and Star Wars Return of the Jedi. Both with visual effects I'm not sure I had noticed before. Great projector! I'm a raving fan already. Can't wait to calibrate it.


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