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Mojo, the hearing is good and not lost, but I cannot say that we have not lost our minds and if so, it was prior to installing T's. In fact it might be why we still listen to these with such power.

Honestly, 400 or 800 watts into these speakers is only if the amps are running full bore. I for one never do; but it's nice to have all of the headroom available so that there is no distortion or clipping. However, I will say that Adam told me that he had a 'tailgating' party at his place a week or so ago and he left some guys in the sound room with the Middle T's alone with probably too much alcohol and he was very concerned; but the speakers survived the night. That says a lot.

"The M60s and M22s should have never seen the production line."

Really?? I mean really??

Considering the thousands of 60s & 22s that have been produced over the past decade or more for so many satisfied customers belies that statement. Not everyone can fit 80s (or bigger) into their systems hence the need for various models of different sizes, power handling & price points. They all have the signature Axiom sound that I & many others enjoy.

Personally I prefer satellites & subs for my spaces. Towers just don't do it for me. Thankfully Ian continually provides these choices for us...

TAM

Brendo, thank you for chiming in here... I just learned something new; I didn't know that the drivers have larger coils. Are you referring to the woofers? I know that the Brystons use 8 inch woofers and the Axioms use 6.5 inch. I would assume, if correctly, that the larger woofers in the Bryston would have a larger coil, but I never knew the specification.

I do know the cabinets have more internal support and a 1.5 inch thick front panel alone with a different tapering profile. Yes they were built to James Tanner's specification and it certainly yields a super nice platform.

What I enjoy is that Bryston collaborated with Ian and his impressive manufacturing facility to build what I think are wonderful speakers. Plus the workmanship of the cabinet veneer is outstanding, they are gorgeous pieces. So much so, I ordered an EP500 recently and plan on adding in others shortly, perhaps in a matching veneer.

I agree, its great to see such nice partnership with these two outfits.

Heh heh...sometimes following your heart, means losing your mind.

Tam, I agree with you on having various sized platforms being offered. Bigger is not always better. Case in point, Adam, he had both Middle T's and Model T's; the larger Model T's do not work in his space, they overload it and sound muddy.

For me, it was the opposite. I have a 30 foot by 30 foot with an 18 foot high vaulted ceiling and while the Middle T's were outstanding, I mean really good. The Model T's were a level beyond in my space. I spoke with James at Bryston at length about my situation before pulling the trigger on the big T's; he said a Model T can overload a space which is not large enough, but it would probably be my best choice for what I was dealing with.... he was right on mark, amazing increase in dynamic power for the room.

Every space is different and having choices is what works best for the consumer.

TAM, do your brain and ears a favor and upgrade to the M5HP. And while you're at it, the v4 of the EP800. You only live once and you're running out of time so live large.

The M22s are horrid and Andrew, bless his soul, used his tremendous engineering prowess to try to undo the terrible sin unleashed unto human-kind via the M22v4 but he's only human after all. Ian undid the great sin by commissioning the oh so holy but much belated M5HP.

I sense Alan will be by shortly to admonish me.

I'm pretty sure it's all the woofers are different {Bigger}not just Axiom white Bryston in Black. The amount of excursion to make the extra SPL is likely extreme and somewhat hard on the drivers so they would need to be really robust for such extreme efficiency.
Same as the cabinets need more body to absorb such excursions.

I myself have gone from M3 to the M22 now to M80. Have found each model to meet and exceed my needs without any deficiencies.

The woofers are 8" vs the Axiom 6.5".

Big difference