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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
SrMead #430028 09/13/18 02:09 AM
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I feel fortunate, MP3z sound fine to me over BT


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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
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Originally Posted By Gr8_White_North
I feel fortunate, MP3z sound fine to me over BT


I will generally agree with you. A good recording that has been processed properly with 320Kbps sent over any of the modern BT protocols is getting very hard to tell the difference with an utlra hi-res file. I would hazard to guess that most individuals would have a tough time in blind testing to tell, other than simply guessing.


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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
SrMead #430032 09/13/18 03:35 AM
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Yeah i dont like getting into those pissing contests with the audio fools . I can hear the difference between good recordings and bad even with my not so good hearing and for casual listening the MP3 is mostly fine. If i want ti better i plug my phone into the usb on the car. At the end of the day, redbook cd's are fine by me though i do have some SACD's that are quite good. Brothers in Arms is sublime on my M80's from my Oppo on SACD

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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
SrMead #430033 09/13/18 12:15 PM
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I would love someone to do an experiment. If you have friends who say they can tell the difference between MP3, CD and SACD (high res).

Play 3 different songs (it doesn't matter what they are just the three need to be different). have one of them an MP3, one a CD recording either FLAC or WAV, but some lossless format. And the last one a HighRes 24/96 or above. Play them in any order you like.

Then get the friend to say which one was recorded in what format. I would bet that no one would get it right other than sheer luck. Without something else to reference it against, I don't think you could tell.

If Axiom has another one of those anniversary parietes, I will definitely be coming up and really want to give this experiment a try.


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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
SrMead #430034 09/13/18 02:28 PM
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Such a test can never work because it is the familiarity with ones equipment and song preferences that help you notice the differences. I have a lot of songs on my phone and when play it on shuffle in the car some songs sound great and some dont sound so great so there is differences even with how an MP3 is created. I have original recordings on cd that dont sound as good as other simply becasue they were not mixed well in the beginning so your test would never work. As i said , red book is more than adequate and all this high res bs is just that bs. I have music that has been reissued and it has been remastered and sounds different than the original though not necessarily better. I really dont think there is a test we can do that would prove hi res one way or another because music is so subjective and this is why they get away with pushing all this high res bs. We have a crappy stereo at work thats over 30 yrs old the speakers have had different drivers jammed into them and we stream with an internet radio station and it sounds really good and its more to do with the size of the room than anything else. You want big sound you need a big room.


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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
SrMead #430035 09/13/18 03:25 PM
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But that is the whole point. To say that you can tell the difference between an MP3 and a 24/196 that are about as far apart as you can get, why would it make any difference between how where or when it is played?

It's like the coke/pepsi challenge. if you say you like coke over pepsi, if someone handed you a glass you should be able to tell the difference and tell no matter what. I can tell the difference between coke classic and diet coke. they clearly to me taste different.

But when it comes to music, is it we have such lack of sense in perceiving the differences or is it that they are so marginally small that without a back to back ability to rapidly switch between the two that we won't be able to tell the differences.

To tie this back to the original post, I am just trying to prove that really even if there were a difference, would you have the ability to perceive it and know that what you were listening to was in some way inferior to what you could have.

Point. if you like what you hear, does it really matter?


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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
SrMead #430037 09/13/18 06:44 PM
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I should probably clarify my comments a bit. I went with 96/24 for recording/ripping but most of my listening is still at 16/44.1.

If you do an absolutely perfect job of filtering/sampling/recording at 16/44.1 I also agree that it would be really tough (perhaps impossible) to tell the difference between that and a higher resolution...

... it just seems relatively rare that perfect job is actually done, and "compress the heck out of it for simplicity" seems more common.

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Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
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Originally Posted By MatManhasgone
if you like what you hear, does it really matter?


Not until you hear something better.

Re: Couple questions about DSP for the LFR's
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Originally Posted By MatManhasgone
But that is the whole point. To say that you can tell the difference between an MP3 and a 24/196 that are about as far apart as you can get, why would it make any difference between how where or when it is played?

It's like the coke/pepsi challenge. if you say you like coke over pepsi, if someone handed you a glass you should be able to tell the difference and tell no matter what. I can tell the difference between coke classic and diet coke. they clearly to me taste different.

But when it comes to music, is it we have such lack of sense in perceiving the differences or is it that they are so marginally small that without a back to back ability to rapidly switch between the two that we won't be able to tell the differences.

To tie this back to the original post, I am just trying to prove that really even if there were a difference, would you have the ability to perceive it and know that what you were listening to was in some way inferior to what you could have.

Point. if you like what you hear, does it really matter?


I would try it for sure. It would have to be level balanced since the loudness really affects how we perceive music. I think my taste buds are smarter than my ears.


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