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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
Ian #430239 10/04/18 01:17 AM
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I wonder how long before machine learning algorithms take over recording engineering duties.


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
Ian #430241 10/04/18 08:09 AM
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As long as there are people that want a different "sound" I think there will be humans involved. My view, most Sundays, is from behind a 32 channel, all digital mixing board. There are two of us that primarily run sound for the contemporary service. I like more bass so I tend to turn that up. My counter part like more lead vocal, so he turns that up. We have different ears, brains and preferences. But we both deal with a room that is less than ideal, with hard surfaces for EVERY surface. Standing on stage and yelling "Hey!" takes 4 seconds to decay below 60 dB. We'd love to get a machine to deal with that. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xBMiYk62oosWf3NU3JKQsNi5tb5w43hp/view?usp=sharing


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
Ian #430249 10/05/18 12:00 AM
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The current generations of sound engineers will train the machines and in the future, these machines will not only tailor the sound to the characteristics of the room but also the characteristics of the people in them.


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
Ian #430345 10/11/18 10:47 PM
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As long as the machines do not pull a Phil Spector.

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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
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Bryce, who is in my original picture on recording day, did a mix of Troubadour. Here is the link to it:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GmI9zlr0WI0IlgldNF0tu8rUqRtowenT


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
Ian #430467 11/11/18 08:54 PM
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Bryce's mix is what I'd expect from a professional production but the original is more interesting. On my M3v4 system, I hear depth on the original that I don't hear in Bryce's. The original also sounds more dynamic. I'll have to try on my main, M5HP system.

I heard details on my legacy M80v2 system that I don't hear with the M3v4. This could be the M3s, the WIP room my M3s are in or the source equipment. I'll have to see if my main system can reproduce those details.


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
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The presentation of the original mix is totally different through the M5HPs compared to the M80v2. Same room, same equipment. Much more enjoyable through the M5s!

Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
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I very much prefer Scott's mix over Bryce's on the A-LFRs just like I did on the M80v2 and M5. It is larger-sounding and more interesting. I went back over my review I did on the M80v2. The beginning is feedback and it has more air/resonance than the dullish, grinding, human-like sound I remember on the 80s. On the 80s, the main singer was panned quite far on the right but now I hear him right of centre. He's resonant enough he leaks into the center. The left guitar is behind the left speaker but the right is just inside the right speaker and not in it like on the 80. It sounds more clear than the 80s. I do not perceive depth like I did with the 80s though. The 80s were a few feet away from the front wall.


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
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Scott, regarding my question of how to control depth in the recording, the suspicion I have after listening to the A-LFRs, is by using relative gain. If for example you mix vocals and cymbals for a centre presentation, and cut the gain of the cymbals, they'll appear behind the vocals.

As for controlling height, that remains a mystery.


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Re: Anechoic Chamber Recording
Mojo #434515 11/28/19 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Mojo
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As for controlling height, that remains a mystery.

They call it Psychoacoustics for a reason .... it’s all in your head mojo ...

I suspect that (in 2 channel) any height spaciousness you get is more a consequence of your room than intent of the recording engineer.

I also suspect that that effect might be amplified by the LFR.
That said I have no real knowledge of this just suspicions

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