Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Ordered M60, VP150, now thinking M5's and VP180...

Sorry, it was a Spinal Tap reference joke. ;-p

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Audyssey XT32 finds the low frequency cut-offs of my M5s, VP160v4 and QS10s to be 40Hz. I find I get the best music and movie performance when I set the M5s to 80Hz and leave the rest at 40Hz. This is by no means a knock on the M5s.

Dragbug, I suggest you play with your room layout and settings. If you want to see what the M60v4 speaker is capable of, you need to have them spaced at least 6' apart and as far away from room boundaries as possible (I have my M5s 12.5 feet apart, 4 feet from the front wall and 5 feet from sides). Even if this ends up being impractical for your room, at least it temporarily gives you a sense of their soundstage and imaging capability.

My bet is that if you run the Audyssey XT32 calibration on the Denon, you will want to keep it. You can do a 3-point calibration around your main listening position and that's good enough. Put the mic at the center of where your head rests, then the left ear and then the right.

You may not want to do any of the above because it it sounds magical and you can't make it permanent, you'll be forever haunted by it. One of my buddies has my old Bose 601 Series III and when I placed them properly yet impractically in his room, he was completely blown away. Now he's constantly arguing with his wife about leaving them there permanently. Audio is often not good for relationships.

Lol it's not impractical, it's impossible due to limitations of the room it's self.

The fronts are 6 ft apart and about a foot from the front wall. The right is only about 6-8 inchs from the side wall though. The left is about 3-4 ft from a wall. I almost had the wife convinced to let me move our living room to the "great room" or family room or what ever they call those large rooms that no one ever uses.

Problem with that room is that is has 18 ft high ceiling with a stairwell that leads upstairs to an open hallway and open loft area. Not sure how well that area will sound and no place to setup ATMOS.

Eventually, we plan to open the kitchen dining area and living area and my plan was to make sure that home theater is part of that future plan. So right now, I have to make the best of a bad situation I guess lol.

When you say 3 point, I assume you are referring to the 3rd step in the calibration process? I didn't know you could stop at any point in the process. I thought it would not calibrate very if you stopped early. It always goes to behind the couch which I can't do because the couch is almost right up against the wall.

My Onk allows me to select between a 3 or 8 point calibration. I thought perhaps Denon allows that too.

Yeah...thats what I thought about your room. It's too bad really. You can never possibly know what those v4 M60s are capable of. Unless of course you temporarily place them in the great room...heh heh...I'm evil!

Maybe the 6500 has that option. I don't think the 2300 did, at least I never saw that as an option but then it had only the basic Audyssey XT not the XT 32, if that even makes any difference.

I spent an hour last night using a measuring tape to get my speakers perfectly symmetrical to the center of my couch. I am not moving them again And yes, they are pointing at the center listening position, not facing forward toward the wall

XT32 and XT are like apples and oranges. The difference in my room is very noticeable.

It would really bother me to not know what the true capability of my speakers is. Just sayin'... :p

Looks like I am going to be waiting a bit longer anyway. My friend ordered the Denon 8500 several days ago and got it this afternoon. It was DOA. I think his luck is as bad as mine. So until he gets a replacement, he will obviously keep using the 6500.

I think if I tested the true capability of these speakers, my wife might leave me lol. There are just some things a speaker can't do.

Did he check the fuse?

Hmm is there a fuse? I will check with him.