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#430915 - 01/08/19 05:46 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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#430916 - 01/08/19 06:35 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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I want M5s and Axiom sealed subs in all my rooms, my car, my van and on my face.
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#430917 - 01/08/19 06:42 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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Yeah, its a pretty insane track -one that almost any decent sub can shine on. I was able to hit 109.5db C weighted at MLP, which is where I have my volume governor limited...... The EP800s would be a lot of fun.

The sustained Bass hits are 2 octaves wide (super low Q) so you really get a strong pressure wave from them. I would suspect in almost any room.

Clean Clean Clean. But my hearing is important....

With large displacement subs you should be able to break windows with this song in a car. Detach Retinas?

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#431056 - 01/24/19 03:20 AM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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I found out again today just how important a good amp is. I've been pretty happy with my living room M5 and yammie sub driven through my 17 year old Denon. The bass wasn't the best but I figured the 500 I ordered would clean that up. The imaging and soundstage wasn't as terrific as my main system but I chalked that up to the room.

I decided to replace the Denon with my 9 year old Pioneer Elite A9 that was driving my Dreamcatchers and leave the sub out. That was 3 hours and more than 4 playlists ago.

I now have a smile on my face that won't go away. The images are razor sharp and soundstage width is wall to wall and 5 feet away from speaker boundaries - equal to my main system. Depth is there but not like my main system. Bass is deeper and tighter, mids are clearer and highs crisper. I hear two things on this system that I don't hear with my M100s, 800 and higher powered Onk: far more nuanced microdynamics/detail and more pop in the bass. I'm hearing stuff I've not heard before and it's significant. It's very satisfying emotionally. This tells me even though my Onk is beefy, it's not articulate enough.

I've said before the M5s need a sub for music but I take that back. What they need is good electronics. I don't need that 500 now.

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#431074 - 01/24/19 01:59 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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Deb already credited me for the 500. Yahoooo! I'll put the money towards active speakers when available.

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#431084 - 01/24/19 06:50 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
Deb already credited me for the 500. Yahoooo! I'll put the money towards active speakers when available.


Nice that you can put the money toward an active system, but I'm surprised it made that much of a difference. I've been thinking of going with a preamp-processor again when I do my next big round of upgrades. I had an Integra at one point, but I've been through a couple of Onkyo receivers since then before settling on a Marantz, though this one was always intended to be temporary, too. I'm leaning hard toward the Anthem AVM 60, just based on how much people on here have loved the equivalent receivers, with Nick really loving ARC. Ian has me sold on trading up to active LFRs when they're released, so I'll get whatever amps he recommends matching to them, and use the amps I already have for the remaining speakers, which means adding an extra channel to the ADA1500 to power the center speaker.

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#431087 - 01/24/19 07:38 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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You are surprised and I am shocked. All these years we've been telling each other all electronics are the same, as long as their power is rated equally and frequency response is flat then they all sound the same blah blah blah. That may be true for v2 speakers but not v4. V4 is so well designed that you can hear the difference between an electronics engineering team that designed for functionality only vs. functionality AND performance. And you don't need golden ears.

Axiom still says on all their product pages that all you need is an onk or yammie to drive their speakers. While that's true, I think their customers are better served being told that a heightened listening experience can only be achieved by allowing v4 to reach full potential through high fidelity, pristine electronics.

BTW, Anthem is a great choice for well-engineered gear. I've looked into their people and what they're doing and I am impressed.

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#431090 - 01/24/19 09:22 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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The worst part of all of this is that I'll have to drop my Spotify Premium and go with Tidal. I have a Pioneer D6 CD player and I've been comparing Spotify against CDs and there are definitely differences. I can't hear these differences with my PS3 and Onk.
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#431091 - 01/24/19 09:48 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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I can definitely hear the difference between FLAC streamed from my PC and Spotify Premium on most speakers/headphones, but more so on v4s.
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#431092 - 01/24/19 10:52 PM Re: Out with the old and in with the new [Re: Mojo]
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I think you're also younger than me so your ears and likely brain are both better. smile

I've been listening to Tidal master level quality. I can't hear a difference on every song. Those I consider to be HQ recordings come in with more depth and width. The bass is also oh so slightly more nuanced.

I've absolutely been addicted to listening to sax and brass on the v4. The M5s are so amazing upstairs and then I go downstairs and remind myself that even though the M5s are 99% of the way there, that 1% from the M100s is so difficult to accept as a want rather than a need.
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