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Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431130 01/27/19 10:58 PM
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Brendo, I'm starting to question everything I thought I knew or experienced about audio. You say ARC is wonderful and I swore I'd never buy another prepro without some sort of room correction. But after I replaced my Denon with the Pioneer, I no longer need room correction in my living room. I no longer need port plugs on my M5s or a sub. I mean, how the hell do you explain that?

Now let me tell you the stupid thing I did today. I have an amp kicking around here that shall go nameless to protect the guilty (the amp doesn't meet spec). I connected it to the preouts of the pioneer and turned it on at low gain. I turned it up some more and noticed the sound was noticeably fuller than the amp stage of the pioneer. I kept turning it up and up and up and up...until it went into protection mode. My point is, I kept turning it up and my ears weren't hurting and it sounded really full. I have to give the pioneer a lot of credit because it doesn't hurt my ears when I turn it up - unlike the Onk and Denon - but this was at another level altogether.

So now I have another problem with these darned M5s. They are so fantastic, they need excellent electronics to allow them to play at their full potential. I thought I had that beat in my 2 channel system with my pioneer but alas...while the preamp section appears to be pretty darned good, the power amp stage could be noticeably better.

Now I need a terrific power amp for my 2 channel.

Edit: I'll wait for the active M5s and trade in my current M5s.

Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431131 01/28/19 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted By Mojo
You say ARC is wonderful and I swore I'd never buy another prepro without some sort of room correction.


If I end up with the Anthem, it will be fun to play around with, but I'm thinking I may end up doing what I do with Audyssey, which is to use it to set distances, then manually set everything else. It sounds like you have a lot more control over what corrections you want to apply, though, which could be a helpful/dangerous rabbit hole to go down. I imagine I wouldn't want to apply any corrections to the LFRs because of what weirdness the dispersion pattern might create. But besides ARC, the AVM 60 seems like the total package in features I want. I'll put that upgrade off as long as I can, though, just in case they start talking about dropping a new model. I'll work on the other pieces first.

Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431134 01/28/19 02:33 AM
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One of my lady friends is over. She knows nothing about audio but is learning. She hears a difference with the outboard amp in my 2 channel system that she describes as fuller, broader and more balanced. So it's not just me who hears the difference.


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Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431139 01/28/19 05:56 AM
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Careful,
An AVRs bloated power rating, doesn't compare to the power of a real Amp. Heck most AVRs weigh less than your typical 2 channel Amp. Of proper power.


As for room correction both A.R.C. and Dirac are what to go for at the moment. Dirac supposedly has more custom settings or needs more REW type experience.
Where as A.R.C. you can run and leave with great success. Mind you if you'd like to go REW with A.R.C. you can easily access any part of settings you'd like.

Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431166 01/31/19 02:37 AM
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Brendo, you're right. I'll tell you on well-recorded music, the peaks from instruments like kick drums can be immense. In my case for example, the M5HPs in my living room can take it but the ADA-1000-2 can't dish it out. The more I give them, the more they smile and say "Gimme more!" So I'm going with an ADA-1500-2. I love Ian. And Andrew for fulfilling Ian's dreams. LOL! smile


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Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431175 01/31/19 05:05 PM
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Re: Out with the old and in with the new
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I'm gonna do it, Blair. Real close now. I may even get two 1500-2 and bridge each one for 1200W of glorious power into each of my M100s. I can see drivers and dustcaps and voice coils launching throughout my house as I go out in a euphonious blaze of auditory glory!


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Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431180 02/01/19 11:39 PM
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Wow two bridged!!!
You could easily run them full range, with that much power.

Probably totally awesome. Shake your house down from the core.

Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431182 02/02/19 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Mojo
I'm gonna do it, Blair. Real close now. I may even get two 1500-2 and bridge each one for 1200W of glorious power into each of my M100s. I can see drivers and dustcaps and voice coils launching throughout my house as I go out in a euphonious blaze of auditory glory!


New bucket list item.
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Re: Out with the old and in with the new
Mojo #431184 02/02/19 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Mojo
I can see drivers and dustcaps and voice coils launching throughout my house as I go out in a euphonious blaze of auditory glory!

When we tell you not to toe in your speakers that's not for acoustics, it's to keep you out of the line of fire.

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