Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Deciding between M60 and M80

Mine?
Yes and No.
Its a tough decision...It'll cost me $ to go smaller.
My M80HP's are V3 with V4 tweeters.
My preference would be to get a larger room.

I'd ask Axiom if besides the tweeter, the v4 has a more refined presentation (i.e. the holography I keep babbling about). I wouldn't expect the M5 to sound better than the M80v3, especially with the new tweeter, but then again, who knows? Then there's your room. The smaller driver complement of the M5s may provide for an improved room interaction.

Yep. While I have things sounding pretty good one always wonders...
I got my M80's right before the V4 announcement. Axiom was kind enough to send me the V4 tweeters.

Mojo, My sources are:

Marantz Sr6013 reciver,
Pioneer UDB-LX500 4k bluray
Xbox one S
Ps4 Pro
4k apple Tv and a Iptv Box

I asked because I've recently discovered the electronics makes a big difference to the sound. I'm not only talking final amplification but also pre-amplification. I find with my M100s, the weakest link is now my Onk.

Your Marantz is full of tech but short on meaningful specs that can be used to judge performance. One thing that's very interesting to me is the use of current rather than voltage feedback. It's the first time I've seen this in an audio device. Current feedback has some definite advantages when it comes to performance.

If your Marantz pre-amp is low noise, provides equal gain across all channels, has high channel separation and low transient distortion, you'll have a killer system on your hands with the M100 and ADA-1250.

Okay cool, if I need to upgrade or sell the Marantz which receivers should I look into? I have had some luck with Yamaha in the past but look as if I would need to set up to the Aventage line to get any sorts of preouts

That's a great question a few of us on the boards have. Anthem comes to mind. Note I am not saying your Marantz is no good. When you look at the specs for Anthem though, you will see they are more transparent than the Marantz. That doesn't necessarily make the Anthem better because the Marantz may have the same specs but they are not published. Also there is also the question of what is audible and what is not. Generally, the lower the THD+N, the higher the channel separation, and dynamic capability, the better. I am sure though there is a point of diminishing returns. One thing I can tell you though is that low noise is under-rated. There is nothing like sound coming from a totally black background. Of course how quiet your listening environment is also plays a big role.

When you get your M100s and set them up right, you will for the first time in your life understand what you have been missing all your life. Then you will be looking for ways to further improve an already incredible experience that the vast majority on this planet will never witness.

hahaha Thanks for makes me more anxious.. See I was looking into other receiver brands before I made the Marantz purchase as I have always been a fan of Yamaha but seeing the marantz had the preouts I jumped on it not taking into consideration of the S/N ratio, THD specs or even the Rms power outputs per channel I understand they're a major key when purchasing a receiver but looked past that because I knew I would be running an amp. I will set everything up when the M100 arrive and take a deep listen, now my concern is that I might only be able to give the M100 3" from the front wall but as I understand if I crossover at 80hz it shouldnt pose to much of an issue, is that correct?

If you're placing the M100s so close to the front wall, I recommend you get port plugs. It's anyone's call how many you might need. Maybe you'll need them for all ports. I have Audyssey XT 32 like you and when I placed my M100s within a foot of the front wall (just for shits and giggles), Audyssey could not compensate. It never had that problem with my M80v2. I had to plug all the ports and then Audyssey could deal with it.

I have my M100s almost one third the way into my room. That allows them to develop a deep, layered soundstage. I also have them a little more than 12 feet apart and the soundstage is so frickin' wide, it's like I don't have walls (I have 21 feet width). In fact what's happening is, they are designed to reflect sound off the side walls in a very deliberate and engineered fashion (see Axiom's discussion on the Family of Curves or my poem from around December 20th). All v4 speakers do that BTW.

My M5s in my living room do the same thing as the M100s. It's like I don't have a front window or side walls! The only reason I didn't suggest M5s for you is because you want LOUD and you want clean. The M5s can go loud and clean but you're an SPL hound so M100s for you.

Note that you will get soundstage depth with the M100 close to your front wall but it likely won't be as deep as moving them off the wall. The last thing you want to do BTW is to move them into the room, be blown away by the depth, only to have to move them back against the wall. You may not be able to live with your room after that.

Ya the more I look into the area I have it's only 3" inch of room from the wall unless I want them right in the middle of the room lol. Unfortunately my room is more length than Width I have about 17ft Length and 13ft wide which doesn't include my furniture as this is in a living room not a dedicated home theater room. I am hoping to still get a very good soundstage with the room I have and still play loud when need be.