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#431416 - 02/26/19 09:47 PM Deciding between M60 and M80
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Hello, I am currently looking for some advice and help deciding between the M60 and M80 towers my main usage will be 75percent music and 25percent theater. That being said my room is quite small at 250sqft but also I do love my music fairly loud like 95-100db every so often. My question is would I be better off with the M60's or should I go big and get the M80's?

yes they will be powered with an amp giving aprox 200 watts per side.

Thank you in advance for the help

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#431417 - 02/26/19 10:53 PM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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How far away will you be sitting from the speakers?

200W ok. What amp?

Is that 95dB to 100dB peak or nominal?

Is your room live, dead or in between?

With sub or without?

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#431418 - 02/26/19 11:02 PM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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Thanks for responding Mojo,

It is a Axiom Ada1250 amp

it is usually 95 to 100db nominal so basically continuously

I will be sitting about 12 feet away from the speakers

living room is in between dead and alive

and yes I have a svs pb-4000 subwoofer

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#431419 - 02/26/19 11:43 PM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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You need 32W continuous for your average listening level of 100dB with 93dB/W speakers.

If you want to hit 17dB peaks above your 100dB average, you're looking at 2048W peaks.

An M80 can't handle 2048W peaks without compressing according to the specs. An M100 can handle up to 2400W.

An ADA-1250 can't produce 2048W peaks; only up to 1350W. The ADA-1500 can produce 1950W so that's pretty close.

This suggests you need an M100 and an ADA-1500.

But hold on...there's the sub. Unless you're listening to just flutes at 100dB :), the sub should be doing some of the work. How much of the work depends on where you're crossing over and how much content is below the cross-over frequency.

I would say you are safe with the M80 and ADA-1250. If it falls short, you can always move up from there by trading in. Then there's always the question of whether or not you should be getting HP drivers which I'd say likely given your listening habits. That then easily pushes you into M100 territory and you can get those for a pretty sweet deal in B stock.

I have M100s and they are terrific! I also have M5s and M3s which are also great but certainly not for you.
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#431420 - 02/27/19 12:14 AM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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Okay that makes complete sense Mojo, I think what my problem is that I am moving from Cerwin Vega Ls-12's which were very bassy but lack any clearity at all and still want to achieve the levels that they could hit. I want to give Axiom a try because I have heard amazing things about how clear they are and how accurate they produce sound. I couldn't care less about how low the speakers can get because that is what the subwoofer is for but as far as crossover setting I will be crossing over at 60-80hz

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#431421 - 02/27/19 12:31 AM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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Your current speakers can only handle 300W peaks. That's measly compared to the 600W continuous/2400W peak rating of the M100s. They also cannot compare to the M100s when it comes to microdynamics, clarity and immaculate soundstage. The soundstage with any Axiom v4 speaker is holographic when properly placed in a room. They are in a completely different class than the CV. The Axioms will open up a completely different world for you.
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#431422 - 02/27/19 12:42 AM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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Perfect thats exactly what I am looking for, I need something with clarity and that is going to possible give me what I have been missing while being able to listen loud when I want to, I think it might have been wrong to say 100db's every day when that's not going to be the case but I do like to crank the tunes if I have rough days at work and such while still being able to enjoy the listen

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#431423 - 02/27/19 01:01 AM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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(You will) Enjoy! smile
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#431424 - 02/27/19 01:07 AM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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There is just something addictive about the highs that come from the dual tweeters. Acute clarity. M60 is single tweeter, M80 is dual. I have had both M80 standard and M80HP. HP will get more bass. However, save the money for amp power first. You have a stout sub. I like the idea of the M100 on the B-stock store.

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#431425 - 02/27/19 01:10 AM Re: Deciding between M60 and M80 [Re: Justin3001]
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Okay, thank you for the input RLS I appreciate all the help you and Mojo provided. I'll be calling Ian tomorrow and working out some numbers

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