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#432515 - 06/10/19 08:50 AM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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One requires a seeing eye dog who might actually be able to tell difference

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#432516 - 06/10/19 08:59 AM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: craigsub]
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Yeah tend to just use the wording with out thinking about the meaning ... a straight blind test would for sure be enough ...

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#432517 - 06/10/19 09:41 AM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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What is the difference between a straight blind test, a blind test and a plain, old-fashioned blind test?
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#432518 - 06/10/19 09:52 AM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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I had a Marantz once. Probably 10 years ago. The most horrific customer experience I've had with any electronic device. Refuse to ever buy Marantz again because of that experience. Didn't even bother to look and see what they have.
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#432519 - 06/10/19 11:56 AM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
What is the difference between a straight blind test, a blind test and a plain, old-fashioned blind test?
-a straight blind test is for the average person because it requires a jacket to get them to sit through it.
-an old fashion one requires a drink
- blind test (with no adjective) is for the audiophile who is eager to prove that they can hear the difference regardless if it’s there or not.
- a double blind test is for the researcher to show he or she didn’t influence the test ... “and now I’m going to play the good speaker” ...


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#432520 - 06/10/19 12:04 PM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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Aye! I like the old-fashioned one. smile
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#432521 - 06/10/19 12:06 PM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By michael_d
I had a Marantz once. Probably 10 years ago. The most horrific customer experience I've had with any electronic device. Refuse to ever buy Marantz again because of that experience. Didn't even bother to look and see what they have.


My Onk's HDMI board was pooched from the get-go. I stuck it in my oven for 20 minutes to reflow the cold solder joints and 6 years later it is still working flawlessly.
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#432523 - 06/10/19 08:29 PM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By michael_d
I had a Marantz once. Probably 10 years ago. The most horrific customer experience I've had with any electronic device. Refuse to ever buy Marantz again because of that experience. Didn't even bother to look and see what they have.


Go with Denon, then.
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#432524 - 06/10/19 09:51 PM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: michael_d]
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Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Sony, Pioneer and Onkyo...they are all designed in Japan. It's like a revolving door over there with engineers making the rounds from one company to the other. I don't know where they are made though. Marantz was made in the US a long time ago and then in Japan. I think some Denons are made in Vietnam. Cheaper Onks are made in Malaysia and more up-scale ones in Japan. "Made in" though could mean "assembled in" so printed circuit boards may be coming from China.
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#432526 - 06/11/19 09:46 AM Re: AVR or pre amp recommendations? Going 4K [Re: craigsub]
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Originally Posted By craigsub
Originally Posted By michael_d
I had a Marantz once. Probably 10 years ago. The most horrific customer experience I've had with any electronic device. Refuse to ever buy Marantz again because of that experience. Didn't even bother to look and see what they have.


Go with Denon, then.


Why? I already have the Anthem. Noisy fan and all..... But hopefully, the cooling fan I have ordered will resolve that issue.
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