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#434216 - 11/08/19 07:03 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: SirQuack]
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Originally Posted By SirQuack
I love M22's, I used the onwall versions for all my surrounds when I switched to ATMOS and added the ceiling speakers. Found they sounded better than my Qs8s for surrounds in my new ATMOS setup. I think Nic9k did the same but maybe used m3s onwalls.

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Yup. M3 On-walls replaced my QS8s for surround duty and for overheads in my 7.1.4 dual sub setup.

I remember back in early 2004 when I was going to "splurge" and buy M22s for my main speakers, but talked to Ian way back then and I was putting these in an open basement area and not a dedicated space and needed more capability and went with M60s instead. They both would have been nice upgrades from anything that I had previously.

I took Ian's advice and went M60s that I still use today.
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#434217 - 11/08/19 07:32 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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Uh huh. So from this Nick, I intuit you need to trade those M60s for active LFRs, yes? smile
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#434218 - 11/09/19 02:22 AM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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Mojo ... how would you compare the M2s to the M3s. Think there is a big difference between M2's + sub vs M3's + sub?

I've heard all the M3's except the in-cabinet ... but not any M2's

I like both the M3 and the M22 BTW.

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#434219 - 11/09/19 11:04 AM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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Rich, I don't have the M2s and have never heard them. I expect them to be more linear than the M3s in the midrange. In that regard, I expect them to sound like M5s with no bass. And I think you can push them as hard as M3s and they won't melt like the Totem Dreamcatchers. The M5s with a sub can be pushed even harder of course likely to 6dBC more before they sound squirrely.

I am actually considering M2s for my living room and my friend's. I have the M5s in there with a Yammie aub. The sub is important not because the M5s don't have enough bass. Rather, in my room, it's too much. Maybe it's that hump around 100Hz if you look at their curve. No problem in my main room though.

My bass management is primitive because I have a minimalist receiver. I do have pre-outs though and I route those to the sub. Then I cut the bass by 10 using the receiver and another 6 on my Chromecast Audio EQ. Using the sub, I have wonderful bass and the very enjoyable and emotional experience I enjoy from the very refined M5s.

So what's the problem then? I want rosewood and if I can get a smaller form factor, that would help the decor. That's where the M2s come in.

Of course the actives are coming and I'll be trying them in the livingroom first. If I like their sound in there, then I am going to have a major crisis...lol!
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#434220 - 11/09/19 11:06 AM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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I forgot to mention the M3s have a more mellow, less accurate, less detailed sound than the M5s and likely the M2s.
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#434221 - 11/09/19 03:22 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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My neighbour purchased M2's last year during the Black Friday sale. He was ready to replace an old pair of bookshelf speakers and I suggested that he go with the M2's. He is very happy with the quality and sound. I have listened to them a few times and would definitely purchase a pair if I was in the market for a bookshelf speaker.

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#434222 - 11/09/19 03:37 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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Most likely you would find a richer sound with the M3 as it has a bit of a Bass bump with larger cabinet\driver and tuning.

My first Axiom was M3 and second set was M22. Never heard M2. My M3 plays deeper than my M22. I also highly regard M22 for any surround position. My M22 have been front on wall height 5.2.2. position for a couple years. DTSX everything the sound stage is massively awesome.

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#434223 - 11/09/19 05:59 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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Thanks for that feedback, DeltaDweller.

I heard the M22ti and I found them very thin. I really did not like them. Also when pushed, they were skrawnky.

The M22s are flat to 100Hz and then slowly drop off. But look at those M2s. They're flat to 100Hz but then have this cute bump to 70Hz. Then they drop off a cliff. Both of those are good things. A small little bump to give them a bit of pop in the mid-bass and then no pretending on their part that they can go lower. So because of that cliff, they can be pushed without wheezing down low.

At least that's what they sound like on paper.


Edited by Mojo (11/09/19 06:09 PM)
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#434224 - 11/09/19 08:12 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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The M22s did not pair well with a 5 watt per channel single end triode tube amp. But, they sounded great with a 28 watt per channel vintage Harman Kardon amp. (Recapped and retubed of course)
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#434225 - 11/09/19 08:16 PM Re: No more M22s? [Re: Mojo]
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I have the M22 v4 and they really need a sub. The M3 v4 are fairly good without a sub as long as you're not a bass loving kind of guy. Although I'd should listen to them again sans sub.

A few years ago I compare them (with sub in place). Going by memory, dangerous thing to do since I sure many of those brain cells self destructed long ago ... at first I thought that the M22's sounded slightly sibilant compared to the M3 but after comparing each to my "reference" (headphones) it was actually that the M3 bass boost was hiding a bit of the high mids. Even so, I'm splitting hairs here the M3 is a very pleasant speaker. The M22 or M3 with an EP500 is a great combo. I'd have to give the M22 a bit w/the ep.

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