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Active LFR1100s vs Full Immersive system
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Has anyone compared them?

Or like apples and oranges. Curious.

Prices similar for a decent setup.

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TrevorM #436680 05/06/20 01:33 AM
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Do you mean full immersive like Atmos or perhaps 5.1 or 7.1?


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Which speakers are you looking at putting in the "full immersive system," and could you give us details on the room it's going in?

Generally speaking, if I was wanting it primarily for movies/TV and video games and had a room where it wasn't difficult to place all of the surround channels, I'd go for full surround, maybe bookshelf speakers all around if it helped me get two subwoofers (EP600s or EP800s if possible). For a system where music is the priority, I would go for the Actives.

But this isn't based on real-world experience in which I've directly compared both of them. Hopefully Axiom themselves can tell you they've compared them in their listening room.

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A system with:

3x LCR M100s
4x M5s
4x M3 in ceiling
2x EP500s
1x ADA 1000 6 channel
1x ADA 1500 5 channel

20k before tax

A system with:

2x LFR 1100 actives
2x ADA 1500s

19.5k before tax

I Guess the question comes down to is the dolby surround or Auro upmixer a better presentation with real channels than Omnis for music in a comparable system?

I know they are for a different customer, thats why I said might be apples to oranges comparison. smile

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I've never heard a system like the one you've described. I can tell you the two side QS10s add a lot to music in PLII and Neo at lower volumes. If I turn the system up to reference, the sides are not required and stereo gives me almost 180 degree coverage. Perhaps in a different room, the actives wouldn't need help from surrounds even at lower volumes.

For movies, the actives alone can't cut it no matter the volume. Surrounds have their own content which the actives alone can't replicate.

There is a clarity and immediacy to the actives that no passive I've heard can match. With passives, there wasn't much difference between an M3 and an M100 for movie watching. The actives blew that paradigm out of the water.


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Just talking 2 channel.

No one would suggest a surround mix is best on 2 channels. But 2 channels on immersive surround vs omnis for same price?

Craig, you have ATMOS? I know you have Actives and a theater room.... whatcha think for 2 ch?

Omnis or immersive upmix?

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https://youtu.be/MIKSQT-oXfc

I just had this pumped to +5. I had the front half of a hemispherical sound field. Clean, clean, clean. Can't take too much of it. Reference level is good for this tune. It gives me a 140 degree field at that setting. This is Firestick 4K into my Onk and into my 1500-2 for woofers and 1000-8 for all else.


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I couldnt takemuch of that either. grin lol

Wheres Craig? Stop selling cars for a sec. smile

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Trevor - reading through the thread - this seems the revealing question:

"I Guess the question comes down to is the dolby surround or Auro upmixer a better presentation with real channels than Omnis for music in a comparable system?"

The actives are the most amazing music makers, and they are also wickedly efficient. I would be tempted to go actives with ADA-1000-5's and a pair of EP500's. You are in super speaker territory, and with amazing music ability.

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Do you guys think part of that sense of efficient and dynamic presentation is owing to the deletion of the passive crossovers?

Wondering as I ponder an evolution of my passive towers....

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