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Height, width, depth...oh my!
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An article for anyone who has ever wondered how height, width and depth are created in a recording.

https://theproaudiofiles.com/width-height-depth-in-a-mix/#:~:text=By%20creating%20contrast%20in%20the,the%20whole%20mix%20will%20expand.


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Thanks Mojo!

Enjoyed reading that

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Mojo #438425 09/28/20 04:45 AM
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Listening right now at low volume ( Pure Direct of course....) to the Dave Brubeck Remaster on this playlist. Very nice.

I had a thought and I think the answer is yes, but it’s likely a safe bet that any track from these albums that these individual tracks are from are probably of the same “ mastering “ or engineering, same studio or same venue / mic’ed the same. Unless it’s a compilation album I guess.

And thus, the other tracks from those albums would have the same holographic effect or rendering.

Thus is a good list ! Great variety of genre. Thanks.

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I don't know the answer to that one.

That Brubeck tune is an interesting one. On the actives in stereo, the music on the left appears panned hard left which means it sounds like it's coming out of the left speaker. On the M5s, that's not the case. The music appears behind the M5 as if there is no speaker there - or rather there's a speaker but it's projecting the sound backwards right behind it. That's the effect when the M5s are 12 feet apart, I sit 14 feet away and the tweeters are about 6" below my ears. As soon as I raise them to ear level, the music again collapses into the left speaker.

There are other tunes that create a similar difference between the actives and the M5s.


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Mojo #438427 09/28/20 05:34 AM
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Hmmmmm. Interesting. You’d think the actives would “appear deeper “ than the m5s. I think the way you’re describing it though makes it sound worse than it is for the actives. Maybe?

I’ve got m60s at “ station keeping “ right now. Tucked back in the alcove and closer to the walls. I have to stand way back in my kitchen and listen thru the big pass thru window to even get close to holographic and even then it’s not quite right. It’s not wow. The bass support at low volume with them backed in close to wall is really perfect though. Good tight low volume bass. And crystal clear mids.

Back to my original thought tho, I bet you could count on live mic’d “ unplugged “ albums to sound spacious for the whole album as nothing would have changed unless it was “ edited/produced “ individually after the fact.

I would’ve thought the actives would have produced the most consistent holographic effect over the m5s being omni I directional and all.

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A radiator can be omni-directional but still interfere with itself particularly in an echoic environment. The M5, M2 and M3 self-interfere less. At least that's my theory.

Most people, although they don't know it, just want to drop speakers in a room, get large sound and not be offended by bloated lows or piercing highs. Bose solved that problem in a most brilliant way by providing no lows and no highs in its speakers. No dynamic capability to speak of either. Stereo everywhere and yet nowhere. Problem solved. Bose sold bazillions. Those same Bose lovers though, get a stiff wake-up when they hear M2, M3, M5, M50, M100, A-LFR that is set up well in the room. Then they are haunted by the sound forever.

I just wanted to add here, about interference, I've been contemplating upgrading the dual flanking 500s to 600s. I'm hesitating however because I'm concerned about the 600s interfering with the reflections from the rear drivers from the actives. I've set things up so darned good right now, the best I've ever had, that I don't want to ruin a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Mojo
...and the tweeters are about 6" below my ears.. As soon as I raise them to ear level, the music again collapses into the left speaker.
Think you need to sit in a high chair when listening to your LFRs

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I see you've been talking with Ian. smile


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Mojo #438439 09/29/20 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo
I've been contemplating upgrading the dual flanking 500s to 600s. I'm hesitating however because I'm concerned about the 600s interfering with the reflections from the rear drivers from the actives.
Yes I had that problem with the 600s setup outside the LFRs. Once I moved them inside between the LFRs all was good.

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