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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
Rebulx #438159 09/15/20 03:39 AM
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You have the 600 to give you linear lows so you don't need HP drivers for down there. However, the HP drivers would be very handy for very linear 55 Hz to 85 Hz response which is where the mid-bass lives.

The larger cabinet allows the 60s to reach 14Hz lower than the 50s.


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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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Rebulx, play this loud and watch your house come apart...LOL!

https://open.spotify.com/track/0u5gVZkHPm9AGLGpwrBNtB?si=L4zGqKNYTuKKU677N3cd1Q


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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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I started playing it and had to stop!!! Kids are sleeping mojo, you can't play that game this late! I'll listen more tomorrow, lol!

Hey, if you or anyone else is reading this, would you please be so kind, look at the images of my listening space. I want to accomplish two things, amazing sound while cooking in the kitchen, and an excellent home theater experience. I love it when the sound wraps around you during a great movie. So I've figured out what doesn't work well in my listening space, tell me what I need! Don't say actives as they won't fit. I can't pull them 6" away from the wall.

btw, me and the wife watched the original Jurassic Park when we got the EP600 last week and it was a totally new experience. We've been talking about it for days.

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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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how far back do regular or high powered floor standing speakers need to be from the rear wall?


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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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The distance from the front wall (the wall behind them) affects bass performance and soundstage depth. If you have to slam them against the wall, you might have to use port plugs. And if you slam the against the wall, you will have a 2-D rather than 3-D soundstage.

Your kitchen should not be a problem. The M2OW should be more than adequate and if you want to play louder and deeper, the M5OW will give you that plus cleaner mids and highs to boot. You always have the 600 to back them up. If you really like the M50 sound, get M3OW.

Your living room set-up is very non-ideal as you already know. Given your listening distance and speaker separation, the imaging and soundstage is virtually non-existent. LFRs won't help. Sure, they'll go loud and clean. You may actually be able to get better imaging and soundstage with M2 or M5 OW or bookshelves.

If you are enjoying your M50s, I think you should just stick with them and put the money into side surrounds and kitchen M2, M3 or M5. If you can ever make the front of your room "better", then I'd say look beyond the M50s.

If you've had enough of the M50s and feel you just have to upgrade them, the M60s will give you better everything. But that "better" will sound very different compared to the M50. More accurate, precise, and more detailed. Some don't like that and want sound to be "mellow".


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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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Very well said mojo, expectations are important and after hearing the M80 on walls I do appreciate floor standing speakers as the cabinet makes a HUGE difference in sound. I've sent Ian my room pics and he's going to pick the best speakers for my setup. After spending some time with my M5ow's... I know the M2&M3s on wall speakers are great units. What i've learned is the 6" driver on the "on walls" just need great walls to push any lower frequencies. I put them on beams, so it didn't work. They never had a chance.


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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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Rebulx, happy listening man. I'll post my QS10 pounding it out tomorrow.

I know enough about you by now to intuit that you won't rest until your bones are being rocked by active LFRs flanked by EP600s in a geometrically-correct topology. When that day comes, you will finally find audio peace. laugh


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Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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Yup, your right about that! lol But I must say, the journey is fun, as I continue to learn more and more. You don't know what you don't know, and each day I realize how much I don't know. lol... I'm starting to learn how to use a mic and get my own data to really dial things in.

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If you have an ipad I would highly recommend using Audiotools by Studio Six digital.

No external mic or interface needed (but optional and better for high frequency accuracy).

If you buy the extra plugin for transfer function you can do some pretty clever things.

Another optional plugin is Smaart. Industry standard.

Comes standard with RTA, FFT and RT60 measurement tools. Extremely useful.

I tried REW after using this. Nah!

Re: HP Drivers vs Regular
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Rebulx, have you tried mounting the M5OW in the kitchen above your stove? What's that like? Enough bass?

Here's the QS10HPv4 being driven unmercifully. The distortion is from my phone's mic.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tjex4iIfeQlyNnQSyz4Du5Xpf4Q4H0JQ/view?usp=drivesdk

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