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Hey Kodiak, I think that other people would answer your questions better than me.

Here is my two cents:
1. The open space reduce the reflection of sound which may require you to increase volume which may affect the clarity for frequency-dynamic busy content.
2. We need walls to reflect sounds so the music is not dry. But we also need to absorb the first reflection sound so there is not too much reflected sound to make the music less clean. Lay a blanket in front of the speakers, put cotton pillows on the couch, hang a sound absorption decoration artwork on the walls, something as simple as that could help.
3. When it is hard to treat the listening room, please try near field listening where you are very close to the speakers to form a same distance triangle. Place the speakers far away from walls as much as possible.
4. I notice that you have M60ti. V4 version is way better than ti version. Check the B-stock or refurb products, even M2 would be much better in terms of clarity and imaging.
5. Small bookshelf speakers are very easy to place and get good results even if the room is not ideal.

Thanks Rock. That’s a good answer you gave me I think.
I really enjoy learning about this stuff.

Yes , m60ti. V4 is really good...... I think I’ve conversed with mojo hundreds of times about v4, ( in a good way.) Story of my life!!!! I’m stuck with these for awhile. I bought them refurbed as a cheap way to get some reasonably good floor standers ( and to hear Axiom product ) to just have some music in the house. My ancient Sansui got blown up. I didn’t anticipate loving these m60ti and fully drank the koolaid and now I’m really into this hobby. I will upgrade at some point. I’m trying to not talk about upgrading bc I feel I plague this forum with my upgrade ideas and never buy anything!! I’m constantly looking at the b stock and refurb even though I can’t really pull trigger right now. So I’m trying to learn more and make what I have as good as I can.

So I love when these kind of topics come up that you started. Learning is free!

I think I’ll be into this hobby for quite some time. I get more enjoyment out of music than watching tv or movies.

Can’t beat goosebumps and saying out loud to myself “ my god “ when I have wow moments. So yeah m60 ti. Maybe I’m just easily impressed? Or haven’t heard enough speakers to have a “ palate “.

Thanks for the good topic starter. Interested to see what others post later on.

At the end of the day, it is the music which makes us emotional and satisfied!

Very True Rock ! But, I will always be chasing and waiting for the moment when I can upgrade.....until then I will enjoy the music for sure, the discussion, and will feel really good about my upgrade as i wont be able to say i didn't do my research! When it does come time i could see trying out a couple different options if I couldn't narrow it down.

Edit: Remote working is great! I can just be on the forum all day and get nothing done! Ha.

Working from home allows me to play music in the background and avoid long commute time. That may be one of the benefits we get from the pandemic:)

Rock, it's possible the more complex music you are listening to has a higher dynamic range. As a result, the M2s are being pushed into their non-linear operating range leading to greater harmonic and intermodulation distortion as John said. I've maintained the M2s with sub at 80Hz crossover are good to 12 feet MLP for the vast majority of listeners. I am curious what your sub crossover is and how far you're sitting.

BTW, have you confirmed that your sub is not distorting?

Large speakers are great as long as they don't overload the room and can acoustically disappear.

Rock, "frequency-dynamic" isn't a thing per se. What is a thing though is intermodulation distortion. If you play music that contains simultaneous highs and lows, and you play it loud enough to operate the speaker in its non-linear range, then the highs get modulated by the lows producing unintended frequencies. This is IM distortion. The same happens BTW in passive or active antennas.

Moving to a speaker with wider specs is the answer. This may be a floor-stander or a more sensitive bookshelf.

Regarding multi-driver speakers, each driver is akin to an antenna. If the radiation patterns are not coordinated, then you end up with unintended directivity. This is why, with the active LFR1100, Ian was nearly driven insane coordinating the patterns of the various drivers.

John is right. All things being equal, less drivers results in better sound. But things are never equal. That's just fiction.

That's a very good point Mojo. I don't use receiver for stereo listening. The amp does not filter low frequency for M2.

intermodulation distortion could be what I hear at the high range.

What are the questions? Might be able to help. Too lazy to read all that.

Been a while since someone did a room build. Pretty good excercise to answer everything then. Rrlev has a room on the go, but he is paused for now.

Just buy this book and follow the directions:

https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Sound-Studio-Construction-Recording/dp/007177274X

We are taking about if busy music have more impact to bookshelf speakers.

I just tried the M22 with or without crossover with ep500.

The bass filtering does improve the sound somewhat. But the busy music still has more impact on the high range than a less busy music.

So my question to Mojo, does IM in the high range also cause some distortion?