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I think his m100s are for sale. I saw them online. I was shocked! His posting said they didn’t fit the room and WAF.
It looked like a challenge to position them in that room too a bit.

That was my thought as well. Difficult to position that large of a speaker in his space.

Jeff

I'm alive and well, lol! Been on vacation enjoying the slow season of the boating business, even though covid has made this slow season busy, and thankful we are.

The M100's are still playing well. I enjoy them very much. Currently have them setup with the VP160, i've learned that three months is the maximum a lovely wife can take with something that just doesn't quite fit our little room. It's true I've listed them for sale however, recently I contacted Ian about trading them for another sub. That hearth I have is just so small. If business stays this good, we'll be moving in a year or two and it won't matter. The M80 on walls have grown on us. The Yamaha 860 I had just could not push them, they sound 10 times better with the DAC on the Yamaha 1080 and Emotiva. Have a Yamaha 5200 on order with two mono blocks to add to the existing Emotiva to swap to a pre/pro system. That should be fun.

Mojo was 100% correct when he told me the M2's would work best for my room, those guys just rock out. I have a pair in the garage and kitchen now! They are the best, on walls and bookshelves, the M2's are seamless and disappear into the room. I don't regret ignoring his advice because it's been a fun voyage, I've learned so much, it just cost a little too much lol. I guess you could say we traveled first class! Hopefully someone can save some money, just go with a good sub and M2, unless you have a huge room.

Rebulx, you have discovered that bigger is not necessarily always better (except when it comes to boats of course).

It was good to hear Andrew talk about that on YouTube.

Yeah, boats...just boats...lol....anyways... Andrews video's have been very helpful. You have to appreciate the no nonsense point of view he has, as dry as it may be, his very straight forward knowledge being downloaded onto your brain is very beneficial, probably would of saved me thousands if I watched them months ago. Oh well.

You know damned well you'd want to know for yourself and not just take somebody's word. So consider it money well spent.

BTW, the M5s may need about 30 hours of medium volume to break in. I say "may" because out of the three bookshelf pairs and 1 OW I've heard, one bookshelf and the OW needed breaking in. Two of the bookshelves were already ripe. I have no freakin' idea why. I think someone from Axiom may have thrown a party with them before they shipped.

I'm a big believer in speaker break in now. I'm sure some improvements are just in my head, but man it does seem to make a difference to the sound quality. Appreciate your comments.

Rebulx, I was a speaker "break-in" and cable differences agnostic. It's dead obvious to me speakers undergo mechanical and electrical changes during operation. And cables all have different characteristics. I remained agnostic because I didn't have enough data (experience) to know if the differences were audible.

As I started getting the v4 in, I started listening in a very critical way. The first v4 speaker I got was the M5. I could tell right away how special it was relative to my M80v2 in terms of soundstage and imaging but because I made a point to listen closely, I could hear the midrange and bass not blending. Also the bass was too loose. It was almost as if there was a phase off-set. I wrote to Ian and Andrew telling them the mid-range of these was off. I let them play while I was gone one weekend. When I came back, they were a different speaker! It was as if the midrange aligned. Every band was fused and they sounded awesome. I grew suspicious because I thought something in the environment may be the reason. I already knew temperature changes affected my v2 highs but I didn't know why (I found out later from Ian it may be the tweeter ferrofluid viscosity which changes with temperature). Anyway, further listening revealed no changes other than the aforementioned temperature difference.

I've listened closely to all the Axioms and damned well know there is break-in even though I don't know what exactly, from a component perspective, is breaking in. I suspect the midwoofer and woofer and/or the crossover between the two but I can't be sure about the midwoofer because I didn't hear a difference with the M2s. I also know something went on with two pairs of M5s to cause them to need no break-in.

As for cables, I know from experience and indisputable engineering data, cables make a difference to electrical equipment in ways that many electronics designers simply don't understand. And even when they introduce components to mitigate those effects, the new components introduce unintended parasitic behavior. And now I know, when it comes to speakers, cable differences are audible even if all the cables have vanishingly low resistance. See thread on that.

This is a great question for Andrew although he may not know unless he has actually studied, though testing and theory, what is going on. This kind of work of course takes time and money and is really science and not engineering.

Yeah, I can't wrapped my head around speaker break in but I can say these M80 on walls are really amazing now. The first few moments I heard them I was disappointed, to say the least. But I didn't know what I was doing, and still don't lol...But I do know that several hours of playing broke these guys in and they are exceptional. Having a receiver with a good DAC and proper amp makes a big diff too.

My disapproval with axioms V4 tweeters was directly related to the Yamaha RX-A860. It was a little better with the RX-A1080, but my EQ on the new 5200 processor has the high end flat, no adjustments. You can't hear the great potential of a speaker with an $800 receiver. It's a partnership.

I finally ran audyssey. It wanted to run the 100s and center full range. Sounds good for movies but there is a noticeable difference playing music. I just switch between manual and audyssey now depending on what I'm listening to. Of course I am also playing everything without drywall up so I'm positive everything will change once the room is built out again.