Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners M50 to M5HP upgrade expectations

As mentioned, and linked to above, Class 2 is required. Monoprice has decent prices for it.
14 AWG is more than sufficient for those length of runs.

We aren't talking about the same thing here. You are trying to compare your systems to what i'm talking about and they aren't even remotely equivalent.
Literally, picture a room where every square inch is covered by a tiny speaker driver so maybe 10,000 drivers, floor, ceiling, walls, everything! You cannot compare how the sound from each one of those drivers in that room is somehow related to your 7.2? home system, or even an Atmos system of 11.4.4 and how you believe it sounds seamless or disappears in room. I'm not saying that a 11 driver speaker somehow sounds more surround or natural than 9 or 7 or 5. I am talking about a very exponentially larger concept.
A more equivalent comparison would be to ask, what sounds more like a surround realistic sound? A two speaker stereo setup? Or a 11.4.4 Atmos setup?
What sounds more surround than an Atmos setup?
Maybe a 10,000 driver filled room...

I once read about an experimental room setup with this concept in mind and it makes sense. Our ears hear reflections from everywhere. Even a 11.4.4 setup isn't "everywhere' within a room. It doesn't generate sound from every source location but rather creates sound and is reflected off of angles. The mere point of adding more speakers in Atmos is to add more potential point source locations and thus improve the surround experience. Take that to the next step like they have been doing for the last 20 years. First 4.1 then 5.1 then 7.1, 7.2, 9.1, 9.2, 11.2.....where will we be in 20 more years?
10,000.100.200?

The blue jeans is in wall rated.

As far as cabling goes I would run #12/2 or #16/4 and call it a day.

My personal fave after testing and installs is provo 16/4. We parallel down to 13/2.

Box of 500’ runs $165 or so here.

Mojo we hated the 18/4 licorice cable.

Just saw this.
Hilarious.
Trev you need to get some of these installs in there!
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/my-11-4-12-franken-atmos-living-room.2321785/

Love that new pic btw.
Reminds me of Jay Onrait on Sportscentre.

Ok, Thanks. I'm curious about what you said regarding Blue Jeans Cable. I was under the impression they were one of the better ones.

Lol. Kinda does share my smirk.

That install is nuts. I stick to 7.2.4 or so. I have to warranty support them afterwards! Lol.

Chess, I was referring to speakers with multiple mids and tweeters. I have found those kinds of speakers don't disappear as well but do offer more realistic vocals and instruments. The exception is the active LFR1100s.

I'm running 10awg in wall to all of my speakers.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0817JQLPR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Just got notification that the new M5OW’s have shipped!! Still feeling a a little apprehensive about giving up my trusty old M50’s. According to Fedex I should have them Friday, just in time to spend Saturday with them. I’m hoping the M5’s blow me away to the point where I never look back.