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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
chesseroo #441361 02/21/21 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chesseroo
Bottom line, overpriced stuff is often just overpriced. It doesn't equate to better sound.
Just like wine...

Very well said. I keep finding that over and over again in the audio market. well said.


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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441362 02/21/21 07:47 AM
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I do believe there is a limit though. If you buy too cheap, things can be really cheap and i don't mean the DIY projects.
Anyone find (non vintage) speakers for under $150 that actually sound as quality as say the Axiom M2s? Because they sell lots in box stores...

I can't count the number of people i know who buy whatever sound bar they can find at Best Buy and it sounds loud but not great, almost distorted or something, but they are super happy with it, until they hear something really quality...
Had a parent party years ago at our house. Showed some of the parents some of the better quality sound on our system (DVD-audio discs, U571 depth charge scene). Ran into a guy this past fall before things shut down at the rinks and i hadn't seen him since that year probably 5 or 6 years ago. He still remembered the audio demonstration and asked again if i still had the system and what the speaker brand was.
If it is THAT memorable, what does that tell you about buying the cheap stuff at box stores. Still worth the lower cost? Perhaps for some.
Not for me.


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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441363 02/21/21 09:09 AM
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Money is a funny thing in wine, audio, and ...
it sometimes gets you something better and a lot of the times not.
Often the cost of getting 90% of where you want to go is less then the next 5%, which is less then the next 2.

But also as often your paying for perception ... be it brand, style, or pure marketing bull.

About 30 years ago I bought an Omega watch. It told time as well as my $10 watch at 100 times the cost. It was a pride of ownership thing ...

Side note: it broke 5 or 6 years after its purchase and the jeweler wanted almost 3/4 it’s original cost to fix it. So it sits in a drawer now as I can’t seem to throw the POS away.

Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441364 02/21/21 12:17 PM
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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441365 02/21/21 06:23 PM
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I'd rather have onboard amps and augment with externals, as needed. Gives me more options. Ground loops can be isolated and silenced. No need for balanced connections to do that.

I would be interested in the new Anthem line of AVRs, but only if I can be certain they have improved cooling. My 1120 still irritated the hell out of me when the stupid fan runs. I have even added external cooling fans, but the AVR's fan still runs.

Anthem's room correction (ARC) is no joke. It's what keeps me interested in Anthem. It definitely made my HT sound better, and in a very noticeable way. Much more than blowing an extra 5 grand or so to get a system with separates.

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bman84 #441366 02/21/21 06:31 PM
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When it comes to wine I really cannot distinguish between the $1200 bottle and the $10 bottle. Perhaps if I was a wine enthusiast and could taste the minor nuances in the wine I could distinguish better. But then again why train my palette when I already enjoy some of the cheaper wines. Same thing goes for beer and bourbon. I will occasionally splurge because there are certainly good tasting bourbons and wines that are costly that I do enjoy but it isn't something I want to spend on frequently. Audio on the other hand... I am certainly learning more as I go especially in the home audio market. Cost isn't always associated with better. Why spend 4 times the cost if the difference is never going to be audible or noticeable.


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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441371 02/21/21 09:34 PM
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Generally speaking, for several years now even with my previous AVRs, I always tended to connect to outboard amps anyway and it generally relates to power specs. The mainstream manufacturers have aways been criticized(and the criticism is probably valid)that they tend to quote high power ratings i.e. 130/150 watts with one or two channels driven whereas, in reality, if it is a 7/9/11 channel AVR that claims the above wattage, when all channels are driven the actual output is maybe a liitle more than half the claimed total. If you have a good 5 or 7 outboard amp and it specs are 150 watts/ch. ALL channels driven, generally that is what you are going to get. For eg. Axiom amps.

One thing I noticed in recent years with the the mid to lower tier AVR models, other than the usual sub outs and maybe a couple of channels, they have started to quietly eliminate the pre-outs on all channels negating the option of using additional outboard amps almost forcing you to buy the more expensive models who still have the pre outs included.

Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441372 02/22/21 01:13 AM
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Cranes, I agree with you. I treat wine in many respects like audio. It's a value proposition . I can appreciate a single note wine when it's under $6 but expect a lot more at $12. At $30 only once in a while do I find one that's worth it. I've only been disappointed in wines over $50 ... many I felt should have been price at $12. Of course, I keep trying.

My friends in France assure me that you need not spend that ... One of them told me to buy it early and store it for a few years ... I'm trying that but I think he has a slight advantage when great vineyards are but a drive away and top notch ones are walking distance from his fathers house. It's amazing what they pull out of their cellars ... have yet to get anything close here.


Casey,

On AVRs I'm also with you ... I try and purchase ones with at least the front preouts. It seems you need to hit the $1000us range (+/-) to get it. I think the marketers have figured out that people who are in the know want precuts and are willing to pay for it.

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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441375 02/22/21 03:27 AM
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From what i've learned and heard. The best speakers perform at 90%, can be purchased for 2k-4k. For that extra 10% you have to spend 20k-100K more. it's only 10% and not everyone can hear it. But it's there, and it's real, but it's really hard to justify.

The Omni Actives are an anomaly to that theory.

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Re: New Anthem Receivers/Processors
bman84 #441377 02/22/21 04:13 AM
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I’m pretty sure LFR1100s could compete with a lot of those 100k speaker. But your right about hearing ... my ahhh “gold ear” days are well behind me ... so what do I know

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