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Ian, the M3 amplitude response is also "old".
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It would be an interesting blind test to do between Active and Passive as the only difference. We have a switcher that allows us to switch between two different crossovers to the same speaker and we have a switcher that allows us to switch between different DSP codes to the same speaker. With some modifications to our switchers we should be able to do both simultaneously.
What we do know is that the difference between an LFR1100 Passive and an LFR1100 Active is not only about Passive versus Active. When designing the LFR1100 Active I wrote DSP code that replicates the passive LFR1100 Family of Curves in an Active speaker. I did this so we could do blind testing between the Passive and Active Family of Curves. So we do know that putting very linear Listening Window and Sound Power curves on top of each other wins the blind test. I thought this was really cool.
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How big of a difference would the active 1100s be over the 100s?
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Re: Blind testing between active and non LFR1100??
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As I've said many times, the difference to my ears is very big indeed. And that is listening in stereo. I am sure in mono blind testing, I'd hear a bigger difference. In my room, the actives disappear; the M100s do not. The M100s also don't have the clarity of the actives (not as neutral), as precise imaging or width. Depth could be debatable. Bass is far more linear on the actives too. I need XT32 on the 100 but not the actives. The actives also go louder with less power and distortion although that isn't a factor in my room.
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Canes, when you get the actives, listen to Kraftwerk's Radioactivity. You will swear your surrounds are on. The effect is also there with the M100s but not as prominent or clear. It's also there with M5 and M2 (bookshelves) but more puny and not as wide. The actives make the effect larger, broader, clearer and significantly more noticeable.
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This version is like Atmos at my place. It's like having height, width, a few side and overhead speakers but in stereo! I'm sure if my room wasn't cursed I'd hear sounds behind me too. https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=o1kOOJwYlOc&feature=share
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Sorry, I meant the passive 1100s. The curves are much more linear and closer than the 100s but I was curious as to how much difference it would be going from the 100s to the Omni-directional speakers. I’m guessing the dsp dials things in a lot better.
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I can step up to the passive 1100s much sooner since I could run both plus center with my 1500 but not sure if it would be worth it vs waiting a little longer to move to the actives.
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VP180HP
EP600
M3 In Ceiling x 4
M5OW
M2 - Atmos rears
ADA1500.5
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I wish I knew. I've never compared M100s with passive 1100s. And looking at the curves, like you say, the passive 1100 is better but exactly by how much given the closeness of the curves? Remember jritz though? He claims his 660s are Nirvana. Then again there's Cork who liked the M80HP better than 660s. But that could be because of set-up and listening preferences. But then, the passive 1100 is not a 660, is it? You could be the first one to compare M100s against passive 1100s and then passive 1100s against active. Imagine the fame that would come your way. 
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I’ve been giving it some serious thought. I could at least get them in and test drive them against the 100s.
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