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Bi-wiring reduces inter-modulation distortion (IMD). Whether or not you can hear the difference depends on the magnitude which in turn depends on the current, cable and speaker characteristics. I've tried it, couldn't hear the difference at any level, but it doesn't mean it wasn't there or that others can't hear it on their systems.

mojo my guess is if you want to hear it you might have to exaggerate the effect … try listening for it using a wire run with a high resistance… maybe a 100’ of 24ga

Thanks Rich. Im wanting to slowly build up my great room and at some point I will either have m100, LFRs or maybe even m5hp to start with. (Which is why i suggested the ada-1500, will the ada-1500 wreck my m60ti as the RMS is higher than what the m60ti is spec'd for?) I sit back 12 feet and can go as far back as 20 feet with listening position. So my plan is to buy components that will power those options in the future but use them right now with my m60ti. The m60ti will end up doing duty downstairs is the future home theatre. It's a large space. All just plans and thoughts right now. I guess an ada-1250 could travel with the m60ti into the theatre in the future too....

I'm focussed more on getting my bedroom m3 setup dialed in (still on the hunt for a one box fully featured integrated with respctable power and capacitance) and my office m2 desktop setup with headphone station. (I'm thinking the JDS Atom+ and Atom Dac+ that you recommended a while back. Using it as preamp and dac to run my m2s...I will need to buy some type of power amplifier for those too...)

As for bi-wiring comments there, maybe yes things are possibly changed and can be measured but sometime i think alot of the changes that can be measured are unlikely to be able to be heard by humans. Can't hurt to try and experiment with it all though.

There is no harm in going with a 1500 for the M60. Recognize though that the 1500 can, if you turn up the receiver gain enough, totally incinerate your M60. That is not the case with the M5. I don't know about the M60HPv4. The limitation there may be the crossover board.

Before you do anything, I urge you to write to Andrew. Ask him what the rated average and peak power is for M60HPv4. If the rated is at least 400W, I strongly urge you to set aside any dreams of owning ALFRs and going to ADA-1500-2 and M60HPv4.

If you decide you must keep the ALFR option open, ask Andrew what your ADA roadmap possibilities are so that you don't strand your investment.

Thanks Mojo, all good advice. I think I will reach out to Andrew, good idea. I have a feeling the HP versions spec out a bit higher, just a common sense feeling but then again im routinely wrong just when I think I understand somethinga little bit.

As for M60v4hp, interesting purposal. But why not go to an m100 if i'm going to upgrade?

Also, can you expound on this...." I strongly urge you to set aside any dreams of owning ALFRs and going to ADA-1500-2 and M60HPv4." I don't think I understand, why would a squash my dreams of having ALFRs?! ( Keep the dream alive brother man!)

Don't worry about the ADA1500. I kind of doubt you'd turn it up beyond what an ADA1250 or even a ADA1000 could produce. It would be LOUD.
Mojo, Do the ADA's protect against clipping in anyway?

Assuming that answer is no ...
You'd probably pop the M60 on a ADA1250 before an ADA1500 because the 1250 (or 1000) would start clipping sooner ...

We can't assume the HP drivers in the M60 will result in higher power/SPL. The crossover may not be designed for it. If you want higher power and SPL, you may have to move up. But, I'd bet, within its power and frequency spec, the M60HP is more linear than the M80.

As for the M100, the M60 is more linear. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. I like the M5 bookshelf better than the M100. The M100 goes louder, forms larger images and soundstage, sounds more real but it also gets in the way of itself when it comes to imaging. The M5 is invisible and I didn't even have to try. So is the M2 and M3. But the M100 is not - not in any of my rooms. Sure, I may be encountering "position error" but I can only spend so many hundreds of hours trying to find the right position! So now that I know the M60 comes in HP, I presume it sounds as good as the M5 and it comes within its own "stand". It goes lower too.

I suppose it depends what's important to you. Acoustic invisibility, or lack of audible resonances, is paramount to me.

As for the ALFRs, unless you plan on throwing dance parties, you don't need them. The passive Axioms are that good.

The ADAs self-protect by transiently muting when their temp or power specs are exceeded. It's pretty cool. Not offensive at all.

The 1250 or 1500 would fry the M60ti. The ADAs protect themselves; not the load.

Ok, that makes more sense now Mojo. Really it does. And I DO remember you saying it over and over again that the m60 is more linear than the m100. Great comparison of m60v4hp to m5 in terms of power spec/handling and that it comes with a "stand" and plays lower. All very good points. Thanks. Really good food for thought. So I guess the question remains, does the m60v4hp disappear as well as the m5hp given the differences but closer to it than all the other towers. That could be the ticket for my space.....I really enjoy it when the speakers just vanish into space, its so cool, albeit in a limited way with the m60ti.....plus a couple of subs if needed, it's rather large and voluminous in here. ....... Theres definately room to add some more large waves in here and not have them be a problem I think. The m3 does it easily and the disappearing act is wider and easier to remain in while moving around. Havent tried m2 yet. Theyre just here staring at me.

Also, that is strong endorsement of the passive speakers versus the ALFR, wow.

The M60 appears more linear to me than the M5 so that's a good indication it ought to disappear as well. Then again, the published curves are for the standard M60. I have no idea what the M60HP curves look like. All it takes is some cabinet vibration of the right amplitude and bandwidth and BLAM! the speakers become visible.