graphs mean nothing, but alas, I must ask.
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http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m80ti/
Compared to something like this, http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/paradigm_studio20_v3/ , the axiom frequency response seems very colored and wavey. Especially when compared to Axiom's bookslehf model here, http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m22ti_se/
Trusting graphs seems by far a crappy way to test for a good speaker, but, could anybody here tell me what that stuff means anyway? Curiousity got the best of me here.
Last edited by Thasp; 05/04/04 12:10 AM.
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Those graphs don't mean anything; they're not in color.
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Thasp, i believe Alan had stated in the past that he thought the M22s were one of the best, most neutral speakers that Axiom makes. The graph for the M22 is quite different from the M80s.
I suspect the extra tweeter and woofer may be throwing those frequency responses for a bit of a ride. One thing i forgot to ask when i was at Axiom was if they had a response graph for the M60 that i could see.
There are several other speaker brands that make fairly neutral speakers based on a review of the response graphs but of course, none are identical and some of these other brands are far more expensive than Axiom. There are droves of companies that make good speakers.
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So where do I get a lesson in how to read these charts anyway... Since it is tested at 87.5, is the line supposed to be as close to that as possible? When it jumps above is that what people call a hump at a certain frequency? And below the line would be a....valley? Their probably not as hard to read as they seem, I just never took the time to try to figure them out, especially when it comes to looking at two different ones and comparing them.
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Here's a strange question that I hope is not off topic - how do they actually sound? I actually enjoy my Axioms and I haven't seen a single chart. I will admit that they do taste better than Paradigms though. They also look better in spandex lingirie. But so does bigjohn.
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ray- i knew you would get me back!!
i figured since you been gone for a few days, i needed to get your engines all fired up.
just for the record, i would go by the way they sound also.. not a graph. i dont really understand what all the squiggly lines mean either.. but if it sounds good, i am keeping them!
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I tend to agree with Ray and Bigjohn on this. To me, as it is with most people, not everybody, but most, it's all about the sound. Who cares about all the technical jargon, the majority of people don't. If it sounds good, they're keepers, if they sound bad, ya get rid of em'. It's pretty cut and dry, and only becomes complicated if a person makes it that way. I'll pull out my SPL meter to calibrate everything, but other then that, that's as far as I take it. Numbers, charts, and graphs, are all irrelevant to me, and falls short in comparison to what my ears hear. As said, it's all about the sound. It's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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On the other side of the spectrum, however, Absent the technical jargon and/or specs, Bose is able to foist some real audio doozies on the general population.
So even though not all people like to look at technical jargon, it says something about a company that freely provides it -- like they're not trying to hide behind pure marketing.
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Pmbuko:
That's a very good point. I'm not saying that it isn't important at all. I'm just saying that when it comes to things such as this, I let my ears make the final decision, not what's jotted down on paper. But your right about Bose, they mislead a lot of people, or at least they do their best to try to.
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