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Seems like a good room. Layout limitation would be a dealbreaker for me.

If you can change things up a bit the result will be much better.

Otherwise I would vote stereo pair at TV and a sub. Call it a day.

Small room. M5s would do.

I'm with Trevor on this one. Your layout is a fuc&*$# disaster and you shouldn't spend any more time and money on it.

I'll go a step further and say you shouldn't have any speakers given the restrictions. How do you expect to enjoy the stereo effect?

Given however that I am an optimist and keen problem solver, here's something to consider. How about you keep what you have and add a sub like Trevor suggested? Then, when you need to enjoy a real soundstage, how about temporarily moving the speakers a couple of feet into the room and placing a chair at position (16,9)?

For all other times, you can listen to a piss poor distorted soundstage with no imaging so you can really appreciate those (16,9) moments. Kinda like when I rarely drink a gin and tonic to remind myself how much better life is when I'm not drinking that awful poison.

Mojo, let's be kind ... not everyone puts imaging as high as you do.

After all, my family yells at me when I spend 1/2 a day getting the image perfect (playing the same few minutes of a song over and over again). Then they laugh at me making jokes at my expense. Highly respected I am

I am being kind. Kind of straight to the point, and very clear. It's of course no reflection on UK_AV.

The thing is, most people I've dealt with, have no idea what a stereo soundstage and imaging are. It's an awakening for them when they hear both.

You only spend a half day nailing your imaging?

Yeah, for the LFRs. I'm hoping that when I tame the refections it will be easier.
I'm also in a heated debate with my alternate self if I should move the MPL back a bit.
2nd row seems to image much easier. Of course this might push the 2nd row a bit out of the designated listening area

M2s, M3s, and M5s are a breeze ... usually, set them down and perhaps a tweak or two and I'm happy.

I agree the room layout is not ideal for music listening, but I'll give a dissenting opinion in that UK_UV needs to run to a 5.1 setup rather than a 2.1 system. The center channel and the surround speakers widen the sweet spot to all the seating positions in the room, not just that one seat. I don't bother tweaking for imaging or spatial placement, it's a recording artifact you don't even experience in a live performance.

I would have no problem recommending the VP180OW or VP160mini OW paired with M2OW or M3OW, I'm one of the vocal minority who believes the center channel is more important than the left or right front channels. M5HPOW if you want to make sure it pumps enough SPL.

Bad advice.

The larger an Axiom gets, the more difficult it becomes to place. There are too many engineering compromises made for the benefit of more and lower bass and higher SPL and instrument realism.

This may not be practical but try an experiment. Get your ears above the top of the cabinet to see if imaging improves.

More practical is playing with toe in and the boundary compensation knob.

I think my advice regarding (16,9) was bad too. What if UK_AV sits there, realizes what he's missing, and spends the rest of his/her life being miserable because he can't enjoy that ideal.

Low DI with curves smooth and similar
disperse the sound as not to be insular
audio pornography, via sonic holography
sharp images spaced out renders them singular.