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I’d love to do that with all those progressions through CC. I’m betting I can skip the 150v2 and go right to 160v4.

But based on the current levels of customer service I’m not sure what the future holds for more purchases for me from Braxiom. While I’m admittedly a bit of an Axiom fanboy the current service situation is switching me off a little bit. I hope they can bring back the great service they used to have. I should say, when the service is present, it’s good. They just need to be able to catch up I guess. Busy times. But the frontline service is needed badly.

A virtual center (just the right and left speakers) works well if you just have a single seat (where one can get a decent center image from the pair). Once you have several people or sit off center … the center action/dialog will not be centered. To correct this, to anchor centered sounds to the center of the screen, the center channel was created. Since most screens (TVs) are not acoustically transparent (AT) the center is put above or below the screen (usually below). The problem here is as screens get bigger you once again notice that the sound is not coming from the correct place … but from below the screen. An AT screen allows you to put the sound exactly where intended.

Note that this can be taken even further…. If your screen is wide enough you might have 5 speakers behind the screen (L, LC, C, RC, R). Of course you need a fairly sophisticated prepro to drive it.

Note that a center channel is really manufacture speak for a main channel optimized to be placed under your tv.

Until the ALFRs, I was never able to get any other Axioms to give me a virtual centre at MLP during movies. Maybe because my fronts are almost 13 feet apart? Dunno.

Mojo, it’s hard to center the action on a 27” TV running a 13’ sound stage

Thanks Rich. That’s a great breakdown of CC thoughts.

At what size of screen do you feel a CC centered / anchored properties begin to diminish?

That’s a personal call …. It’s dependent on a number of factors … your tolerance, size of screen, how away you’re sitting….
I have two screen setups right now … a 77” with a VP150 under it … MLP at about 9+ … no problems … Sounds great.
The VP180 under 150” screen, MLP @ 11.5 ft … would sometimes have dialog unnaturally coming from below where the people were.

Regarding your observation about the apparent image of the 180, I experienced the same thing with the 150v2, 160v4 and any Axiom bookshelf I tried. I couldn't fix the 150v2 no matter what. I go the 160v4 right under and against my 55" TV and that fixed it. It sounded as if voices came from the middle of the TV. The 160 was superior in terms of fidelity and polar coverage compared to the 150v2 by leaps and bounds.

That said, it didn't dawn on me how unnatural the 160 sounded until I put in the ALFRs and tried them without a centre. Never going back to a real centre!

Ya know … if you super glued your 150 to the middle of the screen the sound would have come from the correct place …
Just sayin’

I thought of that but my wall mount is too wimpy.

My m60's have not shipped yet it is now 40 instead of 25 days(took that option) if this goes on much longer can not see it not hurting Axiom(if has not already by other posts here) Which is sad but understandable!!