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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446925 12/16/22 04:47 PM
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I wish I could guide you on a receiver. I just don't know.

Good to hear that you are also evaluating them at higher volumes including the soundstage and imaging.


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446930 12/16/22 06:45 PM
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I want to hear me some 800F's now.....


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446931 12/16/22 06:56 PM
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Tyler, just get Rich to 3D print you perforated phase aligning lenses for your M60 mids and tweeters. Then the M60s will sound similarly good. smile


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446933 12/16/22 09:49 PM
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The 800F's sounded better to me in my room.....Kodiak if you can get a trial in your place I say go for!!! I am still surprised but in a good way!!While speaking to my dealer here in London told me Roger's is causing alot of problems with their Ignite boxes....pio elites now do not work with pass thru settings etc....don't like Roger's mad mad but have no choice in my area!!!


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446934 12/17/22 05:05 PM
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I have always liked to listen to Pink Floyd, DSOTM when putting different speakers through a SQ test. The track - Time in particular when the alarm clocks go off is great for mids/highs.

I also like Alison Kraus. Pretty much all of her CDs are done exceptionally well.

Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446936 12/17/22 07:54 PM
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I have 12 different releases of DSOTM. The best sounding one - and the only one I can listen to on the ALFRs - is the HSACD released in March 2003. I listen to the CD layer. I've never had an SACD player.


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
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Michael, never mind Alison Krauss. Sure, she has great midrange but only a 10 foot soundstage and average image. Now here's a couple of real ladies for you. 30 foot wide with deep and tall stage and more images than most senior audiophiles can handle.

https://youtu.be/0ir1qkPXPVM


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
Stereoguy99 #446947 12/18/22 06:06 PM
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I have the SACD release of DSOTM. It is fantastic. Stereo is good, but surround is killer.

Thanks for the link. I almost puked in my mouth. I cannot stand POP. I'll stick with Alison Kraus. New Favorite is one CD in particular I like.

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Mojo #446964 12/19/22 11:07 PM
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Paradigms model of sales is to release something new every 2 years so that you can keep on saying new and improved. each will sound different so that you can say inside a showroom 'see how these sound better'. the psychoacoustic side they learned was that in a showroom you can fool the customer into believing thatew and improved must equal better. that was what the NRC project showed. They sight and preconceived notion does effect the sounds we hear, and when you do the tests as totally double blind that this effect can be eliminated. They also found that a base set of parameters seem to be constant with the enjoyment of what people hear in the blind test.

So from a perfect business money making side, use the base sound attributes and waver around that sound making a new set of speakers every 2-3 years then plaster the hell out in maketing about how you have improved over what you had before. That way you get the two effects of what people hear and can sell a shit load of new merchandise every few years.

Axioms model is flawed from a business perspective in the time between iterations is too long, and the only way to improve the sound is to move up and up the chain in cost, and once you've got the actives, then you have run out of upgrade options and won't need to buy again as there isn't anything above them.


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Re: Speaker update Paradigm 800F vs Axiom M60 HP
MMM #446965 12/20/22 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MMM
Axioms model is flawed from a …. and once you've got the actives, then you have run out of upgrade options and won't need to buy again as there isn't anything above them.
once you have actives ….
- Axiom already has all your money
- you are too old to hear an upgrade anyway
- in serious need of a new hobby as this one has consumed you smile

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