Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Paradigm v. Axiom

Nope, a pair of 6s is going to go lower than a single 8. More surface area=more bass.

I agree with Ken. It's not the size of an individual driver that matters. There are two things to take in to account: driver area, and driver excursion. While it is true that an 8" driver will probably have more linear travel than a 6" driver, a pair of 6" drivers will outperform a single 8" driver. From a performance standpoint, it is almost always better to use an array of drivers instead of a single one where bass is concerned.

One of the great benefits of splitting your surface area across multiple identical drivers is that you will have tighter bass. Smaller drivers are more controlled than larger drivers. And the more drivers you have, the less you'll have to push each individual one to achieve the same decibel level.

Size can matter....but it is not an absolute.

I have heard towers with 8" drivers that didn't produce any more bass than others I've heard with 6.5" drivers. I would imagine there are other contributing factors besides driver size. For example, driver design/quality, cabinet design, crossover, etc.

Size of the cabinet I imagine plays into it a lot.

Correct again, Ken.

In certain enclosure configurations, you can make a small driver produce prodigious bass. Take the Bose Wave Radio, for example... Wait, this is going nowhere fast.

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Take the Bose Wave Radio, for example

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OH MAN!!! i love those things....

bigjohn

Honest opinions are always welcome. That's what I came here for. Problem was, a lot of flamers in the other threads just decided to take a dump on Streem for no reason. That's not what I was looking for. Online, it's hard to separate the well-meaning people from the morons. Things got out of hand. It was bound to happen. What's done is done.

From what I've read, I'm starting to think that Streem isn't nearly in the same class as Axiom. I read some M80 reviews on AudioReview last night. Lots of people equate their sound with B&W, Paradigm Studio and Reference, Klipsch, et al. That's pretty elite company. One guy liked VMPS a lot better, but he wound up paying $4,600 for a pair. OUCH! I wouldn't mind giving ribbon tweeters a try, too. I'm just gonna have to rob a bank first.

There's no way Streem can compete with those elite brands for the prices they're charging. It's just not possible. The HT-808 + Denon AVR-884 = $1,000. The M60's + VP150 + 2(M2i) + Denon = $1,800. That's really not too much more, I guess. I may have to build the system over time instead of buying it all at once. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

After listening to how crappy my neighbor's Paradigm Monitors sounded after only a year of his abuse, I doubt that Streem is gonna cut it for me. I didn't even bother listening to one full track from any of the 4-5 CD's I brought over to his house. It was that bad. I watched his blurry big-screen TV instead.

A Streem in-home audition is becoming unlikelier by the day. I don't want to waste money on return shipping that I could put into a better system.

Have you heard one of those things? I always wondered if those Bose ads in magazines were B.S. or not. How long do you think Bose can keep selling its name before the masses catch on to their scam? If my neighbor is any measure, the answer is probably forever.

When you have two 6" woofers, one of them is probably going to be dedicated to the mid-range and one to the lower. I'm not saying that they have separate crossovers, but that isn't necessary. In 2-1/2 way systems, one woofer gets the mid-range and the low range naturally spills over to the other. I'm not sure how it works. I'm not an electrical engineer. Maybe that isn't the case with Axioms. I'm not sure.

But if you make that second woofer an 8" rather than a 6, you'll get lower frequencies at higher dB's than with two sixes. That's what I would prefer.

One six dedicated to the low frequencies or two 6's that hit the mid's and lows together might give you more bass than an 8" that hits both the lows and mids. Then again, they might not. My Boston's could thump pretty good until I blew out the foam. And for a long time I thought they were 3-ways until I took off the grills. They just have an 8" woofer and a tweeter, but they deliver a surprising amount of mid-range. So much so that I'm not sure where it came from.

Nope, in Axioms (as opposed to Paradigms) the dual 6s get the same signal, so they produce the same stuff. Therefore, lots of bass.

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I may have to build the system over time instead of buying it all at once. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Absolutely! I've been preaching this approach for a long, long time. I know it's really tempting to get all your toys at once, but for most people to do that, they've got to cut corners. In the end, they're not happy with what they get, and end up "upgrading" and buying all over again. In the long run they end up paying much more.

Get a nice set of mains, and a good receiver. Build up from there. That's what I had to do. I'm so glad I did. I know have a KILLER system, and don't have a piece that I regret buying.