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Re: DAC: computer Soundcard vs CD Player?
#61738 09/28/04 09:59 PM
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um. what?

I don't believe they boost one part of the frequency spectrum as much as people just believe it's better since they do tests where they know the brand, and not blind tests. Even without bias, placeabo can rear its ugly head.

With amps, there are variables such as frequency response, damping factor, distortion, and wattage output, which some sites have been able to measure. A CD player's output is even simpler than that - no wattage to measure, and no damping factor, just distortion and frequency response. I haven't time to look, but I'm sure some sites have measured expensive and cheap CD players using computers and posted these findings. So enough of the arguing, more scientific testing.

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#61739 09/28/04 10:33 PM
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Haven't spent much time with musicians, have you? Watch a group of musicians working on their own mix... they all grab their own fader and push it to the top, twist the gain knob to 11 and hit solo.

Bren R.

Re: DAC: computer Soundcard vs CD Player?
#61740 09/28/04 11:02 PM
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Glad you like them demasoni!! I used them for the longest time, but then I realize why I bought my Audigy: gaming, so away they went, and back on came the yucky creative drivers. Look for a setting that lets you visualize the chip's connections and internal DSP effects and make it just input to output if you are able to (even disable volume control). That is what gave me the best results.


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#61741 09/28/04 11:58 PM
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Sweet, not sure if this is what you were talking about but I found the DSP map, and disable the Prolog, FXMix2, Reverb Lite, Stereo Chorus, epilog, and Peak. Rear channel and any other I/O are also disable.




How did you set your buffer size? I set my Tank Memory size to 2048KB, Playback Buffer to 16368bytes(~17.05ms), default GSIF Buffer is 256 Samples but not sure if I want to touch this.

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#61742 09/29/04 12:58 AM
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That's exactly the DSP map I was talking about. I deleted reverb Lite, Stereo Chorus, FXMx2, Prolog, and Epilog. Try right clicking and selecting disable first, and if you still have sound then delete them. My map looked slightly different, but my card is an Audigy, so that is to be expected. I didn't mess with the buffer settings, as I didn't think that would have any effect.


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#61743 09/29/04 01:22 AM
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Oh, I know what it is in music. Put your mind in the gutter for a sec, just making a cheap joke.

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#61744 09/29/04 02:17 AM
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I just checked out the DMX 6fire 24/96, this German made card is pretty sweet!! has a better lab test result than the Revolution 7.1, it's hard to find it around here and I believe it's selling for US$250. Would be nice if we can buy the card alone without the module though, my SoundBlaster Live 5.1 also came with a module sorta like that, but it's still laying around somewhere in the storage collecting dust...heh.


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I completely missed that originally, which is unlike me.

Bren R.

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#61746 09/29/04 04:11 AM
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Ahh - Live! Drive... Those things were actually quite good in my opinion, just they make the case look ugly unless you have a door to cover your 5 1/4" bays like my comp's case does.

A few places have the 6fire for about 200$. If you end up getting the card from one of them let me know your experiences (as I am looking at buying the 6fire as well).

Edit: Zzsounds.com has the item at $200 with free shipping. I have dealt with Zzsounds before (buying an ART 351 Eq) and they are honest.


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#61747 09/29/04 05:14 AM
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Well, what we need here is a digital recorder on the other end of the digital cable (TOS or SPDIF) to find out what that CD-P is doing to change the sound and to do a compare against the original recording... have to see just how many errors (isn't that what signal processing you can't turn off really is? Even cheap receivers have a pure stereo or direct setting, they'd never force you to listen to a processed signal!) this player is introducing.

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Saturn may not have some proof of quantifying measured players but I have been trolleying in this forum for quite some time and these are some of the things I have come across over the years.


AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000
http://www.stereophile.com/digitalsourcereviews/1103tjoeb/index4.html

Sony SCD-XA9000ES
http://www.stereophile.com/digitalsourcereviews/1203sony/index4.html

Cary CD303/200
http://www.stereophile.com/digitalsourcereviews/504cary/index4.html

Apple iPod
http://www.stereophile.com/digitalsourcereviews/934/index5.html


Regards;
John


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