Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater One last HSU/SVS question??

They were very complimentary of the SVS, and HSU subs. Without naming names, it is the same person I have bought all 7 of my Axioms from, and never in the past did I feel pushed, of was the truth streched, in fact they were the ones that told me to get the m-60s and not the 80s, but that was because of my present room size, but I wanted the 80s and they talked me "down" if you will. I was told they took several years to develop those 2 subs, and compared them direct with most top performing subs, and named SVS and HSU by name, I told them I was considering 2 ultras, or 2 HSU's 1220 cylinders with the 500 watt outboard amp. Some of the technical stuff went over my head, but the main logic was the digital/analog amp, and the flat response it brings that others don't have. They had sold 35 of the 500s and 16 of the 600s to date, I was told.

What is wrong with your current sub set-up?

Just remember, there is much more to a sub than just being able to play low and loud.

No matter how flat a frequency response a sub has....which I think is great to have....it gets messed up as soon as you put it into a room. The current implementaion of the digital control on the EP500 and EP600 do not take into account the room.....they assume they are in an anechoic situation.

It's not that their terrible. They sound good in my small room. I got them used and they are now 8 years old. they are a fairly small cabinet, which is good on floorspace, but lacks the impact that a big unit has. This whole thing happened when I went to a customers house, and heard a rel stenator sub. I was, and still am in awe, but check out their price. I went home and have had a problem with my 2 ever since. I know that sounds stupid, but combine that with the fact that I am building my first house ever, and you start thnking upgrade time. The new room has a lot of total volume - cubic feet. I don't see me being happy with the 12" earthquakes. They are not as musical as I would like, in addition I have neighbor that wants to buy them, he is thrilled with them, but he's never heard anything good before. Throw in the right flick, and they can be very "booming" impressive if you have not compared others. I quess I am like a lot of people here, we replace idems that are perfectly "acceptable" you should know that better than anyone ---------- "neverhappy"

Jon,
Now that I understand your room better, your right. You do need new subs!!!!!

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Just remember, there is much more to a sub than just being able to play low and loud.

No matter how flat a frequency response a sub has....which I think is great to have....it gets messed up as soon as you put it into a room. The current implementaion of the digital control on the EP500 and EP600 do not take into account the room.....they assume they are in an anechoic situation.

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Curtis, I agree with you 110%!

jon, there isn't much knowledge or experience yet with the EP500. However, let's think about Axiom making this claim. They are the experts and would be in a position to know how the SVS compares. They also do a pretty good job with audio, as we know. Here is the biggie - I have NEVER seen or heard any criticism of their advice or it's veracity and they never oversell or overcommit. Finally, they have a 30 day return policy. If I was in the market and was going to spend the dollars at this level, I'd certainly give the EP500 a try based on their recommendation. Just my $.02.

Hi Curtis and all,

What you say is absolutely true, but the room's dimensions, sub locations and your location will affect the response of every subwoofer in any room.

But you can still make relative judgments if you place each subwoofer in the same location in the room. If you have competitive subwoofers in different locations in a room and you are comparing them, there is a high probability (if you hear differences in performance) that the differences are largely due to placement issues, not to intrinsic differences in performance.

I did some listening tests of the EP500 and EP600 vs. several other brands during my extended stay at Axiom last month, and I can tell you that the EP500 has greater extension to lower frequencies (and greater output at those frequencies) than the other two subs. The EP600 has even more, so much so that folks in the Axiom office were complaining of the pulsing low frequencies from the adjoining listening room when I ran the EP600 at high levels.

This was only a preliminary test, and although levels were carefully adjusted, the test was not "blind." But even when I stared at the switcher, which was not labeled as to which sub was which, it was apparent that the low-frequency extension of the 500 and 600 clearly outstripped the competition. I'll have more to report in the future.

Regards,

Alan, that is great! Can't wait until a third party gets one for a comparison or evaluation. It would be wonderful if you could get one to hometheaterhifi.com for a review.

"I did some listening tests of the EP500 and EP600 vs. several other brands during my extended stay at Axiom last month, and I can tell you that the EP500 has greater extension to lower frequencies (and greater output at those frequencies) than the other two subs".

OK, the 64,000 question, what are the "two" subs???????