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Re: Another one takes a chance...
#78058 01/20/05 06:19 AM
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I have the Yamaha RX-V1400. By far my biggest complaint is the "multi-channel" input is a toggle selection, not discrete. This means it is impossible to automate switching to SACD/DVD-A via a remote control macro.

I also don't like the menu design and navigation -- it's very complicated. You eventually get use to it. The manual is poorly written.

The YPAO auto-EQ mostly works, but I've seen it do some odd things that are probably errors.

I think newer auto-EQ systems like the new HK system are probably better.

Other than those things the Yamaha sounds fine, and it's a good deal for the money.

Re: Another one takes a chance...
#78059 01/20/05 02:34 PM
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"I have the Yamaha RX-V1400. By far my biggest complaint is the "multi-channel" input is a toggle selection, not discrete. This means it is impossible to automate switching to SACD/DVD-A via a remote control macro"

joe, i have the rxv1300, and on the remote, way up on the right hand corner is the 6 channel button. is this what you're looking for, or am i confused. i can toggle between the two modes with this button.
dan

Re: Another one takes a chance...
#78060 01/20/05 06:42 PM
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The problem is it only toggles on/off (to opposite the current state, whatever that is). There's no discrete command for "multichannel on" or "multichannel off" that works independent of the current state.

By contrast for main power, there are discrete on/off commands. E.g., regardless of whether it's currently on or off, you can tell it "power on".

The lack of discrete commands for all functions is a well known problem for virtually all remotely-controlled home electronics. It's slowly changing, but you still often find "toggle only", non-discrete functions.

No amount of programming by any remote can work around it. The only solution is mfgs must implement discrete commands for all functions.

They don't do it because it makes design of the factory remote easier. They want the fewest buttons, and a single toggle button is 1/2 the buttons for discrete on/off. For each toggle-only command they could provide a separate discrete codes. However there's little incentive beyond providing just sufficient commands for the factory remote, which typically is toggle-oriented.

Re: Another one takes a chance...
#78061 01/20/05 06:50 PM
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Hi joema,

I was surprised to find, after Ray beat me into submission, that implementation of the MX-700 universal remote actually helped this kind of situation signficantly. While the native remotes for my devices did NOT have some of these discrete commands, I found that they did exist in remote setup files but were undocumented.

Apologies if you've pursued this already. It was a revelation to me at the time.


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Re: Another one takes a chance...
#78062 01/20/05 06:57 PM
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Yes, often there are undocumented discrete commands. Unfortunately I've already contacted Yamaha, and there's no such command for multichannel on/off on the RX-V1400.

I also have an MX-700, and it's great. But even it cannot solve the "toggle-only problem".

These mundane things often have a bigger day-to-day impact than other theoretical receiver differences.

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#78063 01/20/05 08:11 PM
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Sorry, I thought you probably had it covered already, but that mentioning it might be worth a shot. Accentuate the positive.


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Re: Another one takes a chance...
#78064 01/20/05 09:41 PM
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joema,

Before you give up, it might be worth a trip to Remote Central and tio have a look through the "Philips Pronto & Pronto Pro" and MX-700 .mxd/.mxf files. I would be amazed if someone hasn't come up with the discretes you need for the Yammie. Don't forget - if you can't find the specific model, try other models. They should all use the same codes. A quick look at the Pronto files yielded an awfully large number of 1400 and 1500 files. Discretes might be important enough to set aside a couple of hours to to search.

Also, search the "Discrete Hunter" and "Home Theater Master" forums over there.

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