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#8269 - 01/23/03 07:48 PM NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
thuway Offline
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Well hey guys,

I am planning on building an HT setup within the next year, and am seriously thinking about Axiom Speakers. I went to the store and listened to Klipsch RF7's today and really liked them, can anyone comment on how the Axioms compare to the RF7's.

ALSO I have a huge reciever dillemma. The Axiom speakers take 4 ohms, but I have had a very difficult time finding a "good" 7.1 4 ohm accepting reciever. Would the Denon's be ok? or a MarantZ?

AND one more thing. I have a huge room these speakers are gonna go in, 20 by 25 feet with 9 foot ceilings. What speakers would you guys reccomend?

Thanks. I hope I won't be dissapointed when I order.

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#8270 - 01/23/03 08:29 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
fhw Offline
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Registered: 11/22/01
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Loc: London, ON
Axioms are fantastic speakers for both small-budget and big-budget systems. While Klipsch are also a very respected brand, many people aren't fond of their horn-loaded tweeter, which is famous for causing listener fatigue. If the Klipsch model you're referring to is their top-of-the-line, you'll probably find the M60s or M80s to be an easier speaker to listen to, capable of just as much output, and at a substantially lower cost.

Your room is quite large, so you should probably look at something like the Epic 80 package, plus or minus a different sub (there are subs that go louder and deeper, if that's your cup of tea). For rear surrounds, you could get another 1 or 2 QS8s, or the M2 (depending on your preferences for direct- or diffuse-radiating back surrounds).

As far as your receiver choice, Marantz, Denon and Onkyo/Integra all have powerful 7.1 units. 7.1-capable receivers are not mass-market items, and as such tend to be of higher quality than entry-level units. All of them should have a 4 ohm switch on the back. Personally, I didn't like the performance of the Denon 3802 on music, but the 3802 and its successor 3803 have acheived legendary status in the press. Marantz and Onkyo make great products as well, and dozens of people on this board use them.

Of course, if you've got a big budget, audition the B&K receivers, or separates from any of a dozen companies like Anthem, Arcam, Sunfire, or even the budget separates by Outlaw Audio.

Happy shopping!

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#8271 - 01/23/03 09:07 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
john_henderson Offline
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Registered: 09/03/02
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Denon, Marantz, all make good receivers that will drive the 4ohm load. Stay clear of any receiver that requires a 4 ohm switch. The PS in the receiver is not designed to properly handle the load, they put in the switch which will severly cut back the power of the unit to enable it to run the heavier load without overheating.

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#8272 - 01/23/03 10:15 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
thuway Offline
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Are you sure the Denon can drive a 4 Ohm load, cause look at this:

Right on the back of the 3803 is states: 6-16 ohms for speaker impedance. In other words, it would be safe with an 8 ohm speaker, and 6 ohms would be pushing it.

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/...3803&display=XL



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#8273 - 01/23/03 10:37 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
john_henderson Offline
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I had the 3802 running M-80's for some time before I purchased a 5800 and now subsequently the 5803. The 3802 never had any problems with the 80's. The unit is rated for 6-8 ohm loads and can do so with no trouble, to say that 6 ohm is pushing it is not really a accurate statement to make. If you are that concerned about it then why not go for a better receiver? Move up to one of the higher models where you know you will be safe running the load. If budget is the concern then yes you have to make some sacrifice but really I would not be to worried about the 3803 if it is anywhere near as good as the 3802 (and by all accounts it is better then the 3802) then you will be fine.

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#8274 - 01/23/03 11:04 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
Semi_On Offline
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Registered: 09/18/02
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Loc: Scottsdale, Arizona
In reply to:

Are you sure the Denon can drive a 4 Ohm load, cause look at this:

Right on the back of the 3803 is states: 6-16 ohms for speaker impedance. In other words, it would be safe with an 8 ohm speaker, and 6 ohms would be pushing it.




That's not what it means. Those are merely the maximum rated wattages for the two respective speaker sizes and VERY few speakers actually run 4 ohms so it's often not spec'ed in press literature. Running a 4 ohm load simply results in a higher power output. So long as the receiver has good circuitry and heat dissipation, you're golden. The 3803 is spectacular in this regard.

They don't spec my 4802 at 4 ohms either but it's blaring away as I speak.

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#8275 - 01/24/03 11:52 AM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
Pinoy Offline
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Registered: 10/26/02
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Yes, I am sure Denon 3803 can drive M80's 4 Ohm load. That is exactly my setup.

BTW sometimes I watch 3 movies consecutively or listen to music for hours and the receiver does not get hot at all.

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#8276 - 01/24/03 02:52 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
DanTana Offline
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Registered: 01/06/03
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Loc: Chicago, Illinois
Do you have the video upconversion problem I have been hearing about? With blue and red lines at the top of the screen when you try to view S-Video on a plasma or HDTV screen?

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#8277 - 01/25/03 02:42 PM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
Pinoy Offline
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Registered: 10/26/02
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I have not experienced any video upconversion problem. I do not have a plasma TV or S-video, I just bought a Sony 65WV700 which is hdtv ready and I am using Panasonic DVD RP82.

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#8278 - 01/26/03 04:09 AM Re: NEWBIE DILLEMMMA! HELLLLLLLLLP!!!
thuway Offline
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Registered: 01/23/03
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Well, there is one more reciever I am considering.

I am wondering if anyone knows how much this reciever can watts it can drive a 4 ohm load with. the Onkyo Tx900.

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