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Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95870 05/23/05 03:19 PM
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Aperion Audio has several centers, 422, 522C, 522VAC.
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Also 30 day trial and I think they pay frt both ways.

Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95871 05/23/05 04:03 PM
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the bigfoot is big, so out... I'm willing to spend the extra for the Paradigm 470. however I found the dialog is not so clear. Kind of muffled with the background music/noise.
hmm I think I can just give vp100 a try.. if it's the same as the vp150 in lower volume then it will be perfect.
btw I read in the specs the vp150 has +-3db to as low as 85hz, whereas the vp100 is 95hz, that seems quite significant , no ? With the vp100 I probably have to cross the sub at 100hz. (The paradigm 470 is speced to reach 65hz. )

Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95872 05/23/05 04:39 PM
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>>I'm willing to spend the extra for the Paradigm 470. however I found the dialog is not so clear. Kind of muffled with the background music/noise.

It's possible. I have heard the corresponding mains (Studio 20) and thought they were pretty good (if a bit bass heavy) but haven't had a chance to listen to the CC-470 myself. Some of my friends had listened to both CC-370 (using the Monitor drivers) and CC-470 (using the Studio drivers) and felt that the 470 midrange was more clear than the 370. I did think the CC-370 midrange was a bit dull.

>>I read in the specs the vp150 has +-3db to as low as 85hz, whereas the vp100 is 95hz, that seems quite significant , no ? With the vp100 I probably have to cross the sub at 100hz. (The paradigm 470 is speced to reach 65hz. )

I have an HK receiver so crossing the center over at 100 Hz doesn't bother me -- mains/center/surround can all have a different crossover frequency on an HK.

I think I remember some people here running VP100 at 80 Hz crossover with good results but I'm not 100% sure of that.

I am still running my M2s as mains in the HT system for a few more days (until I haul the M60s downstairs again) so I just have everything crossed over at 100Hz. The M2s are fine with an 80 Hz crossover but the 100Hz setting keeps a bit more bass out of those wittle woofers and keeps them sounding good at slightly higher music volumes.


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Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95873 05/23/05 04:45 PM
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I've got another vote for the VP100. I didn't expect to hear that much of a difference when we got ours, but it really is fantastic.


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Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95874 05/23/05 06:03 PM
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I haven't heard many of the other non-Axiom products under consideration. but I would get a Polk Audio CSi5. It is exactly 24" wide and is a horse of a center channel (weighs 9 pounds more than a VP150) that will come in handy in a big room. I have M22s in another room. They sound very similar only the CSi5 seems to push more air. I seem to be the only Polk fan around here, but I generally find the 2 companies and their products similar. I just think that Axiom - in general - gives you a little more for your money because they sell direct. With that being said, my best guess is that the CSi5 at a list price of $480 (but now available for $399) is similar to the VP150 listed at $385. But I wouldn't trade my CSi5 for a VP150 (and I'm sure nobody here that owns a VP150 would want be on the other end of that trade, either).

So, bottom line - you probably wouldn't regret getting a VP100 (or any of the other excellent choices that have been mentioned), but if you are really in a big room and a CSi5 will fit your shelf space that's what I would get.

Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95875 05/24/05 03:31 AM
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bugbitten: thanks. (To be honest I've never heard of Aperio. ) It looks very decent (even has one more mid range drive). A bit strange there aren't many reviews on them.

foghorn: thanks I will look at the CSi5. The size is just nice.

bridgman: u have just pointed out my problem. I had a pio 55txi. It can't do individual xovers. I definitely dun want to cross at 100, so even with the vp100, I will cross it at 80 and see what happens. (Btw for Vp150, do most ppl here cross at 90 or 80 ?)

My listening area is not big, but short and "wide". I understand for this I need a wide dispersion. Actually I'm not sure what's the typical dispersion range of the dedicated center.


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#95876 05/24/05 04:41 AM
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I've heard people use 2 center channels....how is this done?

I mean...the receiver has one set of output for a center channel, how would you connect it?

I would like to connect 2 M22s as my center channel...

Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95877 05/24/05 12:05 PM
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With M22s or any other 8 ohm speaker you normally wire the two centers in parallel.... wires go from receiver to one speaker, then continue (red to red, black to black) to the second speaker.

With 6 or 4 ohm speakers you would probably want to wire them in series instead to keep the total impedence within a range that your receiver/amp could handle.

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Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
#95878 05/24/05 01:33 PM
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Thanks Bridgman...I will try that!

Re: Any non-Axiom center to recommend to match M22
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I have heard there are problems with running in series (I don't remember what they are, though).


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