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Re: HSU is here!
#96107 06/03/05 11:55 PM
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Some people's standards are too high for their own good.

Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96108 06/04/05 12:13 AM
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erm, i know i'm not active in these forums, but i have read before that both 10 inch and 12 inch drivers are plenty 'fast' enough to handle the accelerations and decelerations in bass signals of 20 to say 100 Hz. How 'fast' the bass sounds in a system has more to do with how well it integrates (phase, time alignment etc) with the midrange and midbass, as that's where the snap and attack that we associate with kick drums and electric bass come from. The texture of the bass is more determined by the main speakers than the subwoofer, assuming of course that the sub is not boomy, and we all know HSU and SVS subs are not. In that case, a lot of the apparent difference in evaluting the musical quality of subs may well be from the integration between the sub and the main speakers, and i don't mean just setting up the sub to roll off as the main speakers pick up nicely.


I just didn't like that way 12 inch drivers were being portrayed as slow and flabby etc. What does everyone think of my opinion?


Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96109 06/04/05 12:43 AM
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In reply to:

The texture of the bass is more determined by the main speakers than the subwoofer




I disagree with the above statement a bit. I think the sub has to be able to produce texture(harmonics) so we know the difference between 40hz piano note and 40hz bassoon note. I believe some subs, although not boomy, do this better than others.



Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96110 06/04/05 01:27 AM
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Wouldn't the harmonics be the responsibility of the main speakers? Especially if they are of higher frequencies, as harmonics usually are.

Another possible explanation for the SVS subs being less 'fast' or having less texture than HSU subs as originally stated in the post may be because the SVS subs do not have a low pass filter? I noticed from the frequency response charts from the SVS websites that the subs have a flat response, say 90 db from 20 Hz all the way to 500Hz when the chart ended, and still no sign of rolling off. All that midbass from the sub might interfere with the mains speakers, making it more difficult to integrate them well. I don't know about HSU subs, haven't seen a freq response chart of HSU subs.

One amazing subwoofer shootout i have come across is this:
http://ultimateavmag.com/features/604way/

I found it to be a truly educational read. Funny no one mentions the Revel B15 in these forums? Because of the price range?

Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96111 06/04/05 01:34 AM
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Actually...I wasn't refering to the Hsu vs SVS debate.

Without the harmonics, how would you tell between different instruments at a given frequency? If the tone is at 40hz, and you cross at 80hz....how much of that tone is in your mains?

Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96112 06/04/05 02:14 AM
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Sorry to interrupt but after several hours of playing...............I came to the conclusion that the behind the couch placement didn't cut it for music. It worked fine for movies but didn't work at all for music. So after doing the sub crawl for a bit, I'm back to a good old-fashioned corner!



Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96113 06/04/05 02:15 AM
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Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96114 06/04/05 02:18 AM
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The sub is nicely tucked away in the corner, out of sight and more importantly, out of the reach of my kids.

I'm currently tweaking my Behringer but as soon as I get some time I will come back and post my intial thoughts.

Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96115 06/04/05 02:27 AM
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I really dig how you implemented the sub for maximum waf. Good thing you didn't cover up those monitor audio's. They are too gorgeous to hide.

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Re: SVS PC Ultra...........and why it has to go!
#96116 06/04/05 02:41 AM
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how did you find moving it a round. when i got it to say the least it was workout finding the best place for it. i have it placed write beside where i sit. i like it for movies but i find corner placement for music it does sound better.

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