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Re: Sibilance - S's overstressed
#98835 06/21/05 08:16 AM
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Amen, Paul. Good to know what Eric thinks about today's recording practices.


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Re: Sibilance - S's overstressed
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No kiddin……I was loosing sleep not knowing Peter’s opinion.

Hey Chess, If you liked BB at all, you’ll like Revis better. You can go to their web sight and download a jingle or two. But the offer still stands, I’ll burn a CD and send it on its merry way to you if you wish.


Re: Sibilance - S's overstressed
#98837 06/23/05 01:01 AM
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Thanks for the Revis tip. I've never heard of them before, but I have the first three Cd's that you mentioned (actually seen BB in concert and they sound WAY better on CD) so I'm sure I'll like the new (at least to my ears) Revis group.

Re: Sibilance - S's overstressed
#98838 06/25/05 04:06 PM
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The Metallica disc that Ken recommended didn't sound very good on my M60s - nothing but cymbal crashes. It sounds much better on the MAs, but it wasn't sibilant on the M60s. The drummer just needs to lay off those things.

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I drank what? Which disc? When did I recommend it?


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Re: Sibilance - S's overstressed
#98840 06/30/05 03:25 PM
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I recently came up to a description of "something" called Mucical Fidelity X-10V3 Tube Output Buffer. I had no idea what it was before but somebody highly recommended it with my setup. Apparently it would remove sibilance and harshness of CD players in general. I also got a nice explenation of what a buffer can do:

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A tube buffer (or just a plain old buffer, for that matter), is a component that has a very high input impedance, and a very low output impedance and has the ability to provide a (relatively) large current at its output. This means that where you would have originally connected component A to component B, you place the buffer in between components. As the buffer has a high input impedance (higher than B's input impedance), component A has an easier time driving it (has to provide less current for a given voltage). This can result in less distortion. As the buffer has a low output impedance (relative to A) and can supply a large current (relative to A), It will have an easier time driving B than A would. It basically means that A sees a friendlier load (asking for less), and B sees a friendlier source (willing to give more).

A buffer is not a DAC, and would be connected in the analogue signal path.

The fact that it is a tube buffer (rather than transistor) will likely give the music a characteristically warmer sound. This is (probably) largely due to the distortion characteristics of tubes Vs. transistors.




I have seen a few in a 300 dollars range in Audiogon, which is very reasonable.

Anybody any opinion or experience? I would be very interested in getting something inexpensive to "warm" the sound of my system a bit...


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Hi Thyname,

I have listened to the X-10 buffer with my m60s. While it did add some richness, it didn't reduce sibilance. The key word here is add. It imparts it's own signature to the sound getting you further from the true source. I'm not tube bashing here as I think there are some very nice sounding tube amplifiers, preamps, and tube output stages in cd players. However in those cases they are engineered with the component. The X-10 seems like a bandaid, look at what is causing the "injury".

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#98842 06/30/05 05:10 PM
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Great analogy with injury and bandaid!! I like it!! Did you notice any added warmth to the sound? disappointing to hear about added signature away from the true source!!

There is not much I can do right now at my apartment building, no room acoustic treatment and alike, I am not allowed. And I can't spend too much money with modifying my RCD-1072 either.




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I don't know if I would describe it as added warmth, rather a more lush midrange. It brings out or emphasizes the harmonics in the recording as tubes often do.

I believe the M60s, as good as they are, aren't the smoothest speakers out there. A lot of people on this forum have stated that sibilance is in the recording. While I agree with that, I have heard speakers that sound just as detailed as the Axiom's with a smoother, more natural upper midrange through top end. Granted these speakers cost 3-4 times as much!

I listen to a variety of music and consistenty the metal/alternative rock doesn't sound great on the M60s. My shop system does well with this type of music, but can't touch the M60s soundstage, resolution, etc. with the right recording.

If the genre of music you most often play doesn't agree with the speaker's frequency response it may be time to look at another speaker, posibly the 50s?



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#98844 06/30/05 06:12 PM
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tigweld, very well stated. I'm not going to name names... but we could use some more unbiased clarity around the subject of tubes on this board.

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