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#99872 - 06/23/05 10:32 AM Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
SirQuack Offline
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I have a 2805 and am very happy with the performance. I hear a lot of talk about Outlaw mono 200's. I guess my question is what value will I add to my system if I start adding some mono's for the center or mains or surrounds? I guess I'm trying to understand if my Denon is a 7.1 100 watts per channel, would it be worth it, would I notice any difference in performance?

Randy

60's 150 350 4-Qs8's
2805
Sanyo Z2 WXGA projector
Panasonic S97S HDMI DVD Player
Samsung HD Tuner
JVC Tape Deck
A bunch of misc. stuff

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#99873 - 06/23/05 07:48 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
richeydog Offline
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Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 1201
Loc: Fresno, CA
The upgrade bug has bitten you as well Randy? Since no one has replied yet I thought I would to give you some company.

I guess the only way you would know would be to order a pair and take advantage of the 30 day return policy. I think monos would be a waste for the rears since they do not get that much action during movie watching as you already know. I would stay with the front three for any type of improvements.

Any dealers nearby that would be willing to loan an amp for the weekend for you to try out? That might save you a few bucks shipping the outlaw monos back if you don't notice any difference with a loaner amp.

If it doesn't make a difference in your system then an ep500 probably will.
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#99874 - 06/23/05 08:12 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I would wait until you move the system to the new room in the basement before adding any more power. That will (a) let you know how the extra power will behave down there within a 30 day period, and (b) let you make a better judgement re: where to spend $$ once you get a chance to really beat up on the system in its final home.
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#99875 - 06/23/05 10:35 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
ratpack Offline
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Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 1155
Loc: Alabama
Your Denon ratings are probably FTC which means that not all seven channels can be driven simultaneously. We had a long discussion on another board about the difference in FTC and RMS specifications.

Bottom line is that you probably will notice NO difference if your Denon is performing up to specification.

Your 60s are rated at 93 dB SPL at 1 watt, one meter away. Say you are listening 10 feet (about 3 meters) away. That would take about 10 watts for 93 dB. As I have posted elsewhere, that's too loud for me. I don't listen to anything above 87-88 dB. Maybe you like it louder?

Anyhow, you "should" have plenty of power!!!
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#99876 - 06/23/05 10:41 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
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As is always the case, Randy, except in the unlikely circumstance that more power was needed than your 2805 was capable of, there should be no difference. The first 1-50 watts on a 100 watt amp are just as good as those on a 200 watter. Unused headroom is simply that; unused.
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#99877 - 06/23/05 10:46 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
bugbitten Offline
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Registered: 04/06/05
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Loc: Madisonville, KY
I love mine. I hear a difference. Use the 30 day to try for yourself.



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#99878 - 06/23/05 10:59 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
JohnK Offline
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Bernard, possibly whatever discussion you're referring to got a bit tangled-up in terminology, but the FTC rating uses the RMS average power measurement standard. RMS(root mean square)is just the mathematical process(square the values, add them and take their simple average, take the square root of that average)used to define average power, it has nothing to do with the number of channels being driven. As we discussed before, under the FTC reg unless unless more is specified by the manufacturer, it's understood that the rating means 2 channels driven simultaneously at the full rated power for at least 5 continuous minutes. Some manufacturers choose to use an all channels driven FTC rating, but in all cases the rating of an amp sold or advertised in the U.S. has to satisfy the FTC reg.
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#99879 - 06/23/05 11:19 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
SirQuack Offline
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It is my understanding that the Denon's ratings are 100wpc full bandwidth rated into 8ohms 20hz - 20khz <.05 THD. Now it is true that many manufacturers mislead consumers, and are not full badwidth rated, only using one frequency, for ex., 1khz. I believe the Denons are pretty true to their specs.


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#99880 - 06/23/05 11:21 PM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
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I know I know.....Michael, John, and others, your right....I just need to concentrate on getting everything setup and see what happens. I took yesterday off, to try to get all the painting completed, so I can move onto trim and carpeting, fun fun fun

I can't wait to share pictures and update the website, it is looking really nice.
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#99881 - 06/25/05 01:03 AM Re: Denon 2805 and monoblocks?
winterpeg Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
I purchased a NAD T773 receiver and use it to run my surrounds and a pair of speakers in the living room(zone 2)What I did with my center and mains was purchase a used MCA3 Anthem amp. It produces stronger front channels and really makes the M80's sound sweet in stereo.
I did contemplate the Outlaw mono blocks as well, But I am even happier with my decision to purchase the 3 channel Anthem.

Troy
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