Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Bass Traps
#163526 04/01/07 06:21 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
K
Krich Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
While trying to keep myself busy so as to not go crazy waiting for my speakers to arrive, I thought I would look into a topic that has intrigued me, but never really understood.

As I'm reading through a number of websites, I kind of get the feeling that there's a lot of really bad advice out there. Acoustics is a VERY room specific topic, so I'm not sure where to start. Being the astute newbie that I am, I've turned to the Axiom message boards.

I've run a mode calculator on my room and there are some frequencies quite close together (between ~200Hz and 500Hz), so I'm making an assumption that doing something about this would be a good thing. I've seen some people show graphs of their room's actual frequency response. How is this done? I'm not too keen on buying equipment for it, but spending a day with my Radio Shack SPL meter, a pencil, and a notebook is not out of the question.

Here's what ModeCalc came up with for me:


From what I've read on other websites about some of the DIY bass trap designs is that they typically work in the 250-500Hz range. Perfect!

Now, before I go off and spend a bunch of time and money playing with fiberglass insulation, I'd like to hear what you guys have done. I know I've seen a picture of someones spectacular looking room with some very nice floor to ceiling corner traps. This is what I have envisioned for my room, but I'm not sure that particular design would be appropriate. I'm not terribly concerned with the making of the traps (I'm pretty handy), rather I'm concerned with the proper design with an eye out for WAF. Throwing up a bunch of 4" thick panels on the walls is going to drive my WAF waaaay down. Having some really nice looking corner traps that have the added benefit of hiding some of the cabling in the room would actually boost WAF.

Hmmm... I wonder if I could use movie posters with some nice framework to disguise first-order absorption panels. Not specifically on topic, but it just popped into my head.


Ken. VaSSallo Series M60v2, VP100v2, QS8v2 SVS SB12-Plus
Re: Bass Traps
Krich #163527 04/01/07 06:32 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 7
axiomite
Offline
axiomite
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 7
First comment is that your room dimensions seem pretty good, ie the modes aren't anywhere near as "bunched up" as they are in some rooms.

Bass traps seem to be most effective in the corners so that's another benefit of the corner traps. A couple of the members here have made some very nice corner traps -- the pictures you saw were probably posted by Sirquack.

You can get software that will do automated response measurements by generating tones and measuring the mic input, but I think most of us just use a test CD, an RS SPL meter and a spreadsheet.


M60ti, VP180, QS8, M2ti, EP500, PC-Plus 20-39
M5HP, M40ti, Sierra-1
LFR1100 active, ADA1500-4 and -8
Re: Bass Traps
bridgman #163528 04/01/07 06:52 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
K
Krich Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
Do you recommend any particular test CD? I have the Avia DVD, but the test tone sweeps were much too fast for me to read the meter, record the level, record the frequency, rinse, repeat.


Ken. VaSSallo Series M60v2, VP100v2, QS8v2 SVS SB12-Plus
Re: Bass Traps
bridgman #163529 04/01/07 07:03 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
K
Krich Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
Ah ha! I found the post where Sirquack (with some Excel help from yourself) built a Superchunk Bass Trap. Haven't read it all yet though.


Ken. VaSSallo Series M60v2, VP100v2, QS8v2 SVS SB12-Plus
Re: Bass Traps
Krich #163530 04/01/07 07:41 AM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 7
axiomite
Offline
axiomite
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 6,379
Likes: 7
The most popular one is probably the free download from RealTraps. It only goes up to 300 Hz but most of the exciting room response issues happen below 300 Hz anyways.

I purchased a nice test CD from Rives... one of my friends borrowed it... so I'm using the download from RealTraps ;(


M60ti, VP180, QS8, M2ti, EP500, PC-Plus 20-39
M5HP, M40ti, Sierra-1
LFR1100 active, ADA1500-4 and -8
Re: Bass Traps
bridgman #163531 04/01/07 03:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,840
Likes: 13
shareholder in the making
Offline
shareholder in the making
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,840
Likes: 13
I have a few pictures on my website during the construction and building of my bass traps and first reflection wall panels. I used Owens Corning 703 2ft x 4ft material which is a popular product used by many.


M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350
AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85


Re: Bass Traps
SirQuack #163532 04/01/07 06:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
K
Krich Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
Quote:

I have a few pictures on my website during the construction and building of my bass traps and first reflection wall panels. I used Owens Corning 703 2ft x 4ft material which is a popular product used by many.




Thanks Randy. I've been reading through the thread about 6-8 months ago where you went graph-crazy. It's a lot of information, but I think I followed most of it.

How thick did you make your first reflection absorption panels? I don't think I can get away with 4" thick panels, so I was wondering if something around 2" thick would be sufficient.

After reading up a little bit, I think the answer to my question about movie posters has been answered. From what I can tell, correct me if I'm wrong, mounting a movie poster on the front of an absorber will tend to negate the absorption capabilities especially in the higher frequencies. Even more so if the poster is mounted behind glass or plexi. There may be ways around this, but this is based on my understanding of such things at the most basic level.


Ken. VaSSallo Series M60v2, VP100v2, QS8v2 SVS SB12-Plus
Re: Bass Traps
Krich #163533 04/01/07 09:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,840
Likes: 13
shareholder in the making
Offline
shareholder in the making
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,840
Likes: 13
Yes, I think if you placed a reflective material on the front face of the panel, it would reflect the higher frequencies, the once you want to absorb.

I used 2" Owens Corning 703 material within the wooden frames I built. There is actually a space between the wall and the material that forms a void. Many people, like Real Traps, recommends that you space them off the wall, the more the better results. That is why I included my spacing within the framing.

This page on my website has some pictures of building the wall panels.

http://porterplex.googlepages.com/constructionpics


M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350
AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85


Re: Bass Traps
SirQuack #163534 04/02/07 01:47 PM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,102
connoisseur
Offline
connoisseur
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,102
although don't build a cross member like Randy did, it is not as effective as a full open back of the trap, sorry randy


Producer | Composer
www.robbhutzal.com
Re: Bass Traps
Hutzal #163535 04/03/07 01:44 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
K
Krich Offline OP
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 93
Bleh, the wife nixed the bass trap idea. We have an agreement on this project where I get to spec out the technology and she is in charge of the interior decorating. Both of us have veto power over the other. To avoid an impasse, we both must pick our battles carefully.

The good news is that after I pulled down RoomEQWizard, I realized that it'll take me a couple years of studying to get it set up to measure my room (much less make any sense out of the graphs), so I won't really know how good or bad my acoustics are for quite some time.


Ken. VaSSallo Series M60v2, VP100v2, QS8v2 SVS SB12-Plus
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  alan, Amie, Andrew, axiomadmin, Brent, Debbie, Ian, Jc 

Link Copied to Clipboard

Need Help Graphic

Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics24,945
Posts442,479
Members15,617
Most Online2,082
Jan 22nd, 2020
Top Posters
Ken.C 18,044
pmbuko 16,441
SirQuack 13,840
CV 12,077
MarkSJohnson 11,458
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 950 guests, and 2 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newsletter Signup
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4