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Posted By: michael_d External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 12:54 AM

I’m going shopping over the weekend. One thing I need is an external hard drive for the home PC. Mostly pictures and to use for the PC Vista critical back up. I’m really racking up hard drive space with all the pictures I’m taking with a 10 meg camera, so I’m guessing I’ll need about a 1000 gigs.

Anything I should avoid? Or, any brand in particular I should look for?
Posted By: oldskoolboarder Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 04:08 AM
1 TB? That's a lot. And if you plan on taking a lot of pix, you're gonna run out of space fast. You might consider some type of RAID stack/enclosure so you can swap drives. Then you can add drives as needed.

HP has a MediaSmart Server that is out or about to be. I've seen it and it's quite nice. Also, Data Robotics has Drobo w/ is an nice enclosure.
Posted By: Haoleb Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 04:27 AM
Whatever you do make sure you have stored your important stuff on more than one hard drive. Should one fail you've always got an extra. Personally I have thousands of pictures that would be a great loss to me if that were to happen. I have them backed up on three different drives. And all my music and videos on two drives. And Everything I can think if is backed up on my 400GB external. I especially like the idea of the external because i can take it with me, Should a fire or other disaster ever happen I can unplug it and be gone in seconds, And even store it in a safe depost box.

Costco has a few externals from maxtor,seagate and WD, All pretty reasonable prices. Of course you can also find plenty of good deals online.
Posted By: TCorzett Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 05:34 AM
Brands of hard drives are going to be a lot like stereo equipment... everyone has their favorite and has a horror story about another. I personally use Maxtor drives (what other people swear against) with zero problems. I have 16 Maxtor drives next to me spinning away... some for over 6 years... with zero problems.

I would recommend getting an external hard drive case that can hold two (or more) drives and setting up a RAID1 (mirror). What this will do is write all the information to both drives, such that if one fails... the data will still be safe on the other drive. This will work for 400GB or 500GB drives, but much larger than that (1TB for example) it is hard to find single drives that large at any decent price/GB. If you want larger than 1TB, then I'd say getting a RAID5 would be the best option... but things tend to get expensive quickly at that stage (unless you build it yourself).

As for size... I'd buy what you need now (and for maybe 1 year) and then buy more in the future. Hard drives are getting cheaper and cheaper and larger and larger. You can get twice and much space for half as much money this year compared to last, and the year before then (I built 4x120GB 6 years ago for the same price as a 4x250GB three years ago, as a 8x300GB last year).

How much space do you really need? I shoot professionally ~13 events (three-four days each) at about 16GB/day. So far this year I have 193GB... and last year shot 396GB. On my 2.2GB RAID5 I have photos going back to 2002 and still have ~800GB left. Getting 300GB or 400GB drives should be enough, unless you're shooting a TON of images every day/week.

-Todd...
Posted By: spiffnme Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 05:58 AM
My quick two cents...the 1TB Western Digitals can be VERY loud when their fans kick in. We have about 15 or so external drives at the office that we use all the time. The new 1TB WD's are the only ones that are really noisey.
Posted By: jakewash Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 09:08 AM
I just bought the WD "My Book" 500gig, it is quiet and was cheap at Costco. I could have bought 3 for the price of the 1 TB units. It has some nice features like an external light show as it works and a lighted 'gauge' to let you know when it is getting full. You can use either USB or Firewire which is a nice feature when working on older USB 1.0 units, as I had to do recently. The firewire ability really sped things up.
Posted By: pmbuko Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 11:25 AM
The problem with a lot of these drives, especially the high-capacity ones, is that they actually have two physical hard drives in them operating as one large disk. (The technical term is that they are "striped" together operating as a RAID 0 volume.) What this means is that if one of those drives should fail, you lose access to all your data, regardless of the integrity of the other drive.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 12:50 PM
Mike:
Didn't you post that you were using Lightroom? If so, just import the photos into LR, but then offload them onto DVD data discs. LR will still keep indexes and keywords of the photos, so that you can search and look through the images... but the hi-rez versions are off the drives. When you back up a group of photos, clearly label the DVD, and add the keywords "DVD #14" or such in LR to find the photo easily.

I setup a new Photoshop computer fairly recently with a 24" Samsung, 4 gigs of RAM, and two 500GB F/W Maxtors. (I, too, have had excellent luck with external Maxtors and probably have 6 terabytes worth on a dozen or fifteen drives that I use for both video and still photo storage). The drives on the new PS computer are divided, with one drive being personal photos and the other business photos. I offload onto DVD, duplicate the DVD, and keep a copy off-premises.
Posted By: michael_d Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 02:00 PM
Thanks Guys… I’ll swing by Costco and pick up one or two if they have them. I suppose I better read up on this Raid thing….I have no idea what that is or means. Thank God for Google.

I am using Lightroom, but I do not have a file system that makes any rational sense, yet. I don’t shoot professionally, so I’m not very organized and there’s no consistency of what / where I take a picture. I tried Tom’s filing method he gave me a while back, but it doesn’t work for me. I’m not that organized to go off dates. I like the DVD backup idea and should try that as a second back up.
Posted By: DanielBMe Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 02:08 PM
You might want to look into Unraid from here Unraid

They have 3 versions Basic (3 drives), Plus (6 drives), Pro (16 drives). With the basic version you can set up 3 drives but one being used as parity. So if any single one of your data disks fail, it can be rebuilt without loss of data. I believe you can start with 2 drives, then when the one drive is full, just pop in another. I use it for my media server which has a total of 7 x 500GB drives right now.
Posted By: BrenR Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 05:17 PM
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I just bought the WD "My Book" 500gig, it is quiet and was cheap at Costco.


My brother picked two of them up and called me up to let me know they were on there for $160CDN and seemed horrified that I didn't have a use to buy one...
"Don't you only have two 40s?"
'No, two 20s in my primary and a 10 and a 20 in my secondary computer'
"And you're not hurting for space?"
'No, you produce videos... I actually have to do work to fill my drives... when I'm done with each project, they're backed up to CD-R or DVD+R, one copy at work, one copy at mom and dads'
"Um, oh."

Bren R.
Posted By: jakewash Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 05:36 PM
I too back up to CD and DVD, however, I never remove the original from the HDD so it fills up fast and as my kids get more involved in things, the more videos I am keeping.

I have discovered that some of my older cheap CDs I have burned are not very good for archiving and some of the picture files are now corrupt, which is why I stopped removing the original from the HDD.
Posted By: TCorzett Re: External Hard Drive - 09/07/07 06:19 PM
If we want to start talking about backup schemes... you should have multiple, each for a different purpose.

I have my desktop in the office with a boot drive, and my archive. The archive is a 2.1TB RAID5 and houses all of my photography/business related items. The boot drive of the computer does get my personal documents, but it is backed-up nightly using Retrospect to my 1TB RAID0. I also have a 480GB RAID0 for misc stuff (mp3's, movies, etc.) which is backed-up to the backup RAID.

RAIDs (other than 0 or striping) are great for protection from drive failures... but it doesn't remove the issues of getting a virus that wipes things on the drives out, a corrupt resource fork, user error (ie deleting files), etc.. One thing that is nice about building the system for a Mac is that I have a lower risk of viri issues.

To help prevent the loss of a file because of a computer/virus/user related error, as well as theft or fire, I burn all of my photos from the archive onto DVDs for off-site storage. In addition to drives, you always want to have a physical back-up (DVD, etc.) that can be stored off-site incase of fire/theift.

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I have discovered that some of my older cheap CDs I have burned are not very good for archiving and some of the picture files are now corrupt




It is also a good idea to transition all the info to the latest media over time. Not only does the media break down and technology improves (and other formats will disappear... remember the floppy?). Yes, it takes time to do it, but as the media gets larger (CDs at 700MB -> DVDs at 4/8GB) it takes less time.

-Todd...
Posted By: snakeyes Re: External Hard Drive - 09/08/07 05:50 AM
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The problem with a lot of these drives, especially the high-capacity ones, is that they actually have two physical hard drives in them operating as one large disk. (The technical term is that they are "striped" together operating as a RAID 0 volume.) What this means is that if one of those drives should fail, you lose access to all your data, regardless of the integrity of the other drive.



Just to restate what Peter said a lot of the 1Tb are 2x500Gb stripped raid 0 so if one drive goes there is no way to recover the data. Though i know on the Western Digigtal 1Tb drive you can reconfig to raid 1 which is mirrored. so you would only have 500Gb of total space but when you copied to the external it would actually be making an identical copy on the second 500 Gb drive.
Jake
Posted By: Ken.C Re: External Hard Drive - 09/08/07 04:21 PM
You can also do this with the Maxtor drive. Another thing to consider with the dual drive units is this: if one drive goes bad (and you're in RAID 1) will the warranty allow you to replace the drive yourself, or do you have to send it back to the factory? WD allows you to do the replacement yourself, while Maxtor voids the warranty when you open the case.
Posted By: snakeyes Re: External Hard Drive - 09/08/07 07:46 PM
oooh good catch & info thanks Ken.
Jake
Posted By: michael_d Re: External Hard Drive - 09/11/07 03:29 PM
Well Costco had some Seagate, 750 gig Free Agent Pro hard drives for $200, so I picked one up. I haven’t hooked it up or installed the software yet. The box description talks about some special software that comes with the drive. I didn’t read up on it much…. Anyone try one of these yet? Words of advice before I start messing with it?
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