The death of analog video connections?

Posted by: jakewash

The death of analog video connections? - 02/22/10 01:45 PM

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/aacs-hdmi-kill-component-2010
Posted by: Avi Deshpande

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/22/10 02:18 PM

This will suck bigtime.

oh well..we can all upgrade the equipment but no streaming/ripping will be bad.

But ofcourse we can keep our Axioms \:\)
Posted by: Zarak

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/22/10 08:38 PM

Excerpt from the article: Lest you think that this won't affect existing players, note that after January 1, 2011, the manufacturers of Blu-ray discs will be able (at their option) to insert an Image Constraint Token into any Blu-ray disc. This is a sort of "digital flag" that will turn off the high-definition component video output in the player (effectively turning it into a low-resoluton 480i/576i output). The goal is to make sure that all high-definition video will only be made possible through "secure" digital connections like HDMI.

Do you see the disc manufacturers doing this? Consumers aren't going to know about these new restrictions, but when they suddenly can't view their movies in full HD anymore, they are going to complain (assuming they notice of course...plenty of people out there sadly have a HDTV and are watching in SD without knowing the difference).
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 12:12 AM

Of course they would do this. The disc manufacturers are the studios, and they're scared to death of piracy, to their own detriment. If they didn't intend to do it, they wouldn't have the capability.
Posted by: fredk

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 01:16 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Of course they would do this. The disc manufacturers are the studios, and they're scared to death of piracy, to their own detriment. If they didn't intend to do it, they wouldn't have the capability.

Just wait until they figure out a way to tie your bluray to a specific player so you can't sell it on to someone else when you don't want it any more.

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Consumers aren't going to know about these new restrictions, but when they suddenly can't view their movies in full HD anymore, they are going to complain

Yup.

Of course, if you really want to store your movies on your computer or continue to play hd through analog outs, there is always Slysoft. As pointed out by Audioholics already, there is something seriously wrong when its much easier to pirate than to attempt to do something legally.
Posted by: Ken.C

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 01:26 AM

Just like game manufacturers. Now Sony's manage to damage the used games market by restricting online play to the first purchaser only.
Posted by: fredk

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 01:39 AM

Given that bluray and aacs is already hacked, I don't see how this 'content management' stuff is going to do anything but drive people to pirated movies more quickly.
Posted by: Luke Smith

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 01:52 AM

I <3 AnyDVDHD.

http://www.techdirt.com/ covers a lot of the self-defeating idiocy perpetrated by the music and movie industries.

If I could download the TV shows I like with anything approaching the ease with which I acquire rips I would pay a reasonable fee.

But I can't.


Posted by: fredk

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 04:04 AM

Thats funny in a sad sort of way Luke.
Posted by: terzaghi

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 07:49 AM

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Just like game manufacturers. Now Sony's manage to damage the used games market by restricting online play to the first purchaser only.

Really??? How long has this been going on?
Posted by: MarkSJohnson

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 08:08 AM

I haven't seen anything in trade magazines about whether or not it would affect pro equipment, much of which is still using component... My guess is that it won't.

There have always been different rules regarding pro equipment and consumer equipment regarding copy-protection and such. For instance, I have Tascam audio CD recorders that don't require the more expensive "music CDs" with their built-in RIAA fees/taxes... they record on "regular" CDs.
Posted by: CatBrat

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 09:44 AM

I doubt that it won't make any difference on how they try to copy protect something because a work around for it is always right around the corner.
Posted by: Potatohead

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 12:24 PM

 Originally Posted By: Luke Smith




This is priceless

The thing is, if you don't buy movies to combat this kind of thing, the studios are too dense to realize this and believe you're not buying movies because you're pirating them... It goes in circles.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 02:23 PM

Luke seeing that got me to thinking last month i bought the last Terminator movie on blue ray, and i was trying to just watch the Fn movie... i do remember having to sit though a stupid amount of unskippable material, at one point i though something was messed up with my player that i couldn't skip some of those items, with the DVD's you have 1 maybe 2 screens that are unskippable, then you can just jump over everything else.. Granted i am kind of new to the whole Blue ray thing. But waiting 20 minutes just to start the movie is pretty ridiculous.

one other comment on Jakes link, I was thinking, I don't have any televisions in my house that have HDMI inputs, the TV in the main room is a HD but only has components, and the SD TVs in the bedrooms, and garage defiantly don't have HDMI, so how is Blue Ray going to become even more popular? When DVD's came out, all one needed was the player and a TV. Now with Blue Ray, you need the player, and you also need a HD TV, not everyone has an HD TV, and people that have had their HD TV's for a while like myself, now my 60" projection HD TV, will not work with a new Blue Ray player? And I don't even get a superior picture, just the same quality but am forced to use the HDMI cable?


Granted I just got an Oppo BD-83 last August, so right now I am ok. Until hollywood, think its a good idea, to start producing disks that disable the analog video.. If they do that, then I will probably just start downloading and burning the movies that i want to watch. I refuse to buy a new TV, just to watch a movie at the same resolution.

Posted by: Redo

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 03:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: Luke Smith


Can't stop laughing!!!


On a serious note, if they would put all the previews and crap in special features I would probably end up watching them all at my own leisure anyhow. I'm one of those guys who is interested in that stuff. But when I want to watch the main feature don't give me all that garbage, it makes me cringe at my investments (invite friends over, dim the lights, then amaze people with my preview skipping and movie home screen operating talents)
Posted by: Murph

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 03:38 PM

Yesterday, I was in a an AV store because they are one of our authorized phone resellers as I was looking for something for my mother in law. An older gentleman passed on a couple of very nicely priced TVs because they didn't have S-Video.

Analogue is not dead. It's just switching to to whole insurance instead of term.
Posted by: Redo

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 04:06 PM

 Originally Posted By: Murph
Yesterday, I was in a an AV store because they are one of our authorized phone resellers as I was looking for something for my mother in law. An older gentleman passed on a couple of very nicely priced TVs because they didn't have S-Video.

Analogue is not dead. It's just switching to to whole insurance instead of term.



This article isn't saying analog is dead. What it is saying is analog hi-def is dying for BluRay. The new restrictions force standard def resolutions at the studio's will if it's not connected via protected HDCP. Upscaling DVD players have been crippled to 480p without HDMI for years now. There's still a place for analog, but the big names in the industry are complying and trending towards fullly restricted HDMI compliance.

I guess it would be more proper to say the death of hi-def Component Video. I've heard rumblings for years that hi-def television will switch to protected HDMI as well. Don't know if that will happen, but these are further steps towards this goal.
Posted by: dakkon

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 07:21 PM

i don't see any real benefit to the end customer by forcing everyone to use HDMI. If only Blue Ray is going to be HDMI only, then that is pointless when the HD cable box will still have component? I understand advances in technology.. But i see this going the same way that Digital TV in the U.S. went.. pushed off for years, then there are all kinds of work arounds... someone will probably come out with a HDMI to component converter for cheep the current ones are around 200$....
Posted by: fredk

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/23/10 11:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: Redo
I've heard rumblings for years that hi-def television will switch to protected HDMI as well. Don't know if that will happen, but these are further steps towards this goal.

I heard a rumour about something called the Fagin Box. After putting a $100 bill in the slot, you get on your knees and grovel. "Please sir. May I have more?"
Posted by: jakewash

Re: The death of analog video connections? - 02/24/10 02:02 AM

I love Slysoft products. I rip movies just to eliminate the ads so I can watch the movie right away, I just have to invest in a BR burner for my PC, they are still a little too pricey for me.