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Posted By: fredk Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 01:15 AM
Given some of the posts here lately, here is some commentary courtesy of the Economist.
How much free speech??
Posted By: grunt Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 02:50 AM
I don’t see grad seminars or parliaments as similar to online forums though if the point she is making is that the rules operate similarly then I agree.

In a group discussion the “noisy” person can not be effectively ignored however, ignoring someone in an online forum is easy, just ignore them selectively or completely with the “Ignore Button” most forums have. No need for rules or moderation unless the forum or server owners have to stay within legal boundaries or feel compelled to stay within moral ones. It takes two to argue so let the noisy person have a monologue with them self. But then there’s always the someone(s) who just can’t stay quite.

As for discussion rules I’ve never been part of a group where the rules weren’t used to stifle debate in favor of the rule makers/enforcers.
Posted By: Ajax Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 02:59 AM
Speaking as a moderator, or pseudo-moderator, on an online forum, I have to agree with the article. There is nothing wrong with having rules of behavior up to which all participants are expected to live.

The article poses the questions "on what legal basis can you claim the right to free speech in an online forum?"

In a similar thread on the aforementioned forum an attorney posted some interesting observations including...

"We all know if we run someone over with our car we can be sued for the resulting injuries. However, some people think they can post any fool thing they want and the 1st amendment protects them, which is simply not the case. "

"...one of the things that slays me is how quickly people start talking about censorship in a private forum. The prohibitions of the first amendment only apply to the government. (Notice how the first words are "Congress shall make no law. . .") This is a private forum, so any "rights" you have here are based on the hospitality of the site operator. Nobody owes you a soapbox."
Posted By: CV Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 06:29 AM
Hey, Jack, nice to hear from you.
Posted By: MarkSJohnson Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 08:58 AM
Yeah, Jack's been silent awhile.

I wonder who silenced his free speech here? smile
Posted By: BlueJays1 Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 01:35 PM
In the context of company owned forums and active ongoing censorship look at the two biggest examples - AV123 and Emotiva.

Than you have the others at the extreme opposite that do not censor at all. Axiom, Ascend and Aperion.

Companies that censor their forums usually have something to hide either about their products or the way they conduct business. On the opposite spectrum look at Axiom, they have quiet confidence about their products and when you run a business in an ethical manner, there is nothing to censor. Axiom should be VERY proud of the fact they do not moderate with a heavy hand.




Posted By: Ajax Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 01:47 PM
Well, we working men are kinda busy ya know. wink There are those who have been profoundly grateful for my silence. I had a few things I would've liked to say in the V3 thread but, under the circumstances, considered it prudent to keep my mouth shut.

However, this topic is one that is near and dear to my heart. I never cease to be amazed at how many folks feel annonymity gives them license to behave in ways they never would in a face to face situation. frown

Not that I'm advocating the following, but it would be interesting to see if such behavior would change if a person's real name, real address, real email, and real phone number were prominently displayed in each post's signature field. whistle cool
Posted By: pmbuko Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 02:02 PM
2x6 slipped up and posted his real name and real email a while back. Let's see if it makes a difference. smile
Posted By: BlueJays1 Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 02:05 PM
The only difference is going to be the amount of spam he receives in his email account. shocked
Posted By: grunt Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 03:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Dr.House
In the context of company owned forums and active ongoing censorship look at the two biggest examples - AV123 and Emotiva.

Than you have the others at the extreme opposite that do not censor at all. Axiom, Ascend and Aperion.

Companies that censor their forums usually have something to hide either about their products or the way they conduct business. On the opposite spectrum look at Axiom, they have quiet confidence about their products and when you run a business in an ethical manner, there is nothing to censor. Axiom should be VERY proud of the fact they do not moderate with a heavy hand.





It is interesting to see the differences in how the companies you mention conduct themselves. What’s also interesting to me is how despite a companies confidence there are always some owners who don’t seem so sure. . . . wink
Posted By: medic8r Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 03:51 PM
Originally Posted By: Dr.House
The only difference is going to be the amount of spam he receives in his email account. shocked

One of my former practice partners in Virginia is the older brother of movie producer Roy Lee. He told many interesting stories about his brother, one of which is his method of dealing with people who cross him. He uses their email address to register for multiple porn sites.
Posted By: BlueJays1 Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 04:00 PM
Aren't there bots out there that harvest email addresses that are posted in public forums to mass spam as well?
Posted By: medic8r Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 04:04 PM
So I've heard, but I'm hardly the resident expert on such things. I imagine there's an ongoing arms race as far as evading them. At first, medic8r(at)mail.com might work, then the bots learn that (at) = @, and "DOT" = . etc etc
Posted By: Ichigo_Kurosaki Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 04:25 PM
Originally Posted By: medic8r
Originally Posted By: Dr.House
The only difference is going to be the amount of spam he receives in his email account. shocked

One of my former practice partners in Virginia is the older brother of movie producer Roy Lee. He told many interesting stories about his brother, one of which is his method of dealing with people who cross him. He uses their email address to register for multiple porn sites.

One interesting thing is that when you usually log into a porn site, they usually get info from your computer like your e-mail and so on. So in this case doesn't he also receive lots of spam? LOL I did that thing when I was younger, but the person really deserved. I was on some B2B website doing business and just got fooled by this guy. crazy Lost some money I sent him for products samples.
Posted By: BlueJays1 Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 04:44 PM
That con man got off easy Ichigo. I'm sure it was still satisfying. smile
Posted By: tomtuttle Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 04:52 PM
Nicely done, Jack.
Posted By: sonicfox Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 05:25 PM
You know what I like about this forum? It's not Axiom that moderates this forum, it's US, so to speak. It certainly helps that Axiom is a respectful company with excellent products, so it doesn't seem to attract troublemakers to begin with. But, if there are disagreements about something, we mostly go about discussing them in a rational and well mannered way. So, I think a lot of it is the forum members themselves who make it work. Occasionally, there have been troublesome individuals, but they eventually went away on their own because WE chose to ignore them. I think that says a lot about us here, and why many of us have stuck around long enough to feel like we know each other.

I know what I'm saying here might be a bit off topic, but I appreciate this group here a lot, and the fact WE make it work so there's no need for moderators.

I thought THIS was sort of funny...scroll down to read "a note to vegans". What?! Are vegans known to be troublemakers? HAHA! Very informative article, BTW!
Posted By: EFalardeau Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 05:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Ichigo_Kurosaki
I was on some B2B website doing business and just got fooled by this guy. crazy Lost some money I sent him for products samples.

Enlargement products so he could be a bigger dick?
Posted By: fredk Re: Rights vs Privilege - 07/30/10 10:59 PM
Excellent post Jack.

One of the more interesting examples of forum rules I have run across is hometheatershack.com. Swear words, even ones considered very mild by todays standards, are automatically filtered out. Personal attacks are not tolerated. I must say that the tone of posting there is very good.

Sonic. I also find this forum quite amazing. For an unmoderated forum it is very civil.
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