have decided on axiom for my speakers. now just trying to decide if i would really notice any difference in speakers. Between the m60's and m80's. Heard they are about the same just that the 80's would play louder and clearer. Probably get more bass out of the 80's. But since i am going home theater wise i will need a sub woofer so thought that the 80's wouldn't make much difference for me. Now my room is kinda large like 17x17. I think the 60's would be good and the 80's would be overkill. Plus the 4 ohms of the 80's would work my reciever a bit more also. Have heard there would be no problems with my denon 3805. Any suggestions.

Some say there is a difference in sound between the two (they often are M80s owners ). Others maintain, as you stated, the difference is minimal (they are often M60s owners ). I think, in a room that size, you don't "need" the M80s, but don't think they necessarily would be "overkill." The 3805 would work with either speaker. I say....................get the M60s and put the difference into other equipment. (Just my opinion)

I would agree with Jack, for yor size room the M60's will do great, I would use the savings in getting a good sub.

I agree with Jack. Buy a great sub like the EP500.

BTW. I had the 60s and traded up to 80s. There is no such thing as overkill!

I too agree. Get the M60's and put the extra money saved into a GREAT sub. EP500, EP600 would be at the top of my list. The VTF-3HO from Hsu also comes to mind as a possible sub solution.

You're going to LOVE your new setup.

thanks guys thats what i was kinda thinking. I do have a big room 17x17x17 and there really is no back wall, its open to the dining room and kitchen. But just figured the 60's would be just as good as the 80's for home theater with a good sub. Just didn't know if it was going to be much help spending the money on a speaker that is part sub anyways for music alone. And seems like everyone likes the 60s

I feel duty bound to warn you that a room with the same dimensions on each wall (like 17x17x17) can be a beast to tame, sound-wise. Hopefully, JohnK or Bridgman will be along shortly to either explain why or provide you with a link or two that will.

my room is a little weird i guess. left wall has built in shelves and cabinets and brick and a fire place about 16 ft of that stuff. right wall there is a step up and it is kinda part of the hall way and an open banister type thing between the room and that wall. And i don't count that extra 4ft above the step part of the room. Although i guess it kinda is. the back wall hass about 10ft of it on the left side open to the dining room. that is where the larger couch sits in front of. Then about 3 ft from that couch is where the love seat sits.

>>> Some say there is a difference in sound between the two (they often are M80s owners ). Others maintain, as you stated, the difference is minimal (they are often M60s owners ).

And then there are *some* of us who (currently) own a pair each of the 60s and the 80s and believe there *is* a difference in sound ... the 60s are really great speakers, the 80s are even better speakers. IMHO

For what it's worth.

So you're saying your room is 17' on the left wall, 17' on the facing wall, 17' on the right wall, and the back is open to a larger area? (Normally, 17x17x17 would mean the sides are 17, the fron and back are 17, and the ceiling is 17 feet up.)

and then there are the people who dont care if theres a difference or not but they just want to get the M80

OK. Lets take a poll. How many own both the M60s and M80s.

i guess imust of messed up in my room measurement place ments also then. my ceiling is 10' the rest the room is the 17' with the other stuff i said in there.

I'd agree with Jack, but I think we've just about done that do death, so I'll agree with Craig instead.

I'm glad your ceiling is not 17' high. That notion - combined with the opening at the back - might have made me waffle just a little about recommending the M60's. Also, like Peter said, cube-shaped rooms are hellish on LF response.

Look, if cost is not an issue, just go ahead and get the M80's. If you (like most of us) have a budget, you'll be completely thrilled with the M60's and a proportionally larger subwoofer investment. I have the 60's and a relatively modest sub (PB12-ISD) in a very large room (relative to cubic feet) and have never been dissatisfied.

You may also want to remember that both models are quite deep, so placement becomes more interesting than it may first appear.

"An ideal room should have different and non-related dimensions for the length, width, and height. When all three dimensions are the same, the worst case, you get widely spaced resonant peaks at the fundamental frequency and its harmonics only. With different dimensions you have more peaks at more in-between frequencies, which taken together gives an overall flatter response." Ethan Winer, RealTraps

Thank you, Randy. I knew someone could explain it coherently. I sure couldn't.