Hello,
Sorry for the mixed messages before. Finally my better half and I agreed that we need to get speakers and we ordered them today
. Have ordered the following:
2 x M60, 1 x V100, 1 x EP350, 2 x QS8, 1 x FMSQS.
Couple of questions related to QS8. Got the stands as backup in case I am not able to mount speakers on the side. Is it ok to mount the speakers at different height and distance from the back wall. Also, how high should the speakers be from the listening position?
I am currently testing out DefTech ProCinema 1000 setup, with a Denon 2807 which I was able to get for $700 as part of the speaker/receiver package. I hope I will be able to keep the receiver at the price that I paid, when I return the procinema's.
Thanks
-Deepak
Welcome and congrats on the order Deepak!
As far as the QS8s, I would say about 1 1/2 to 2 feet above the listening ear position is ideal. But the QS8s are also very flexible and many report great results with them mounted even higher.
As far as the differing distances/heights- this may be more critical, but it really depends on how big a difference you are talking about relative to your seating position. They are forgiving so a slight variation may not be a problem, but you do want sounds panning around you to sound uniform as they were meant to. Can you share some room dimensions and seating/speaker locations or a diagram? That will allow us to help you more. At least you have the stands to fall back on if needed.
When I get home I will take some pictures of the room and post to get better help in locating the qs8 and the subwoofer.
-D
As promised pictures of the family room with potential location for the qs8.
http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8AcMm7Nu1btX5wLocation Red is around 8ft from the floor and about 1 ft from the back wall, the gray location is about 6ft from the floor and 2ft from the side wall, while the blue location is qs8 on Axiom speaker stands. The front speakers are going on either side of the tv, with the initial location for the subwoofer next to the left front speaker.
Any owners of Pioneer 1016txv or Yamaha RXV659 or RXN600. Can you share your experience with using either with Epic60 setup. Also, any of the receiver support 240v? Looked at the manuals and the impression that I am getting is that the Yamaha support 240v, while the Pioneer does not.
Also, any guidelines in how to calibrate the speakers. Using the Denon's automated speaker settings with the DefTech procine 1000 series and the subwoofers distance is listed as 30+ feet,which does not seem to be right.
Thanks
_Deepak
-Deepak
I have the Yamaha HTR-5960 (nearly identical to the RXV659z0 and it drives my system as loud as I need it with no distortion at all. Haven't tried to see 'how' loud it will go, I value my ears as they are
. I realize that you will have M60's instead of my M22's, but unless you plan on running them full range they should be a fairly similar load. If you have any specific questions, feel free to send me a PM.
Hello
I recently got a Denon and have been playing with the autosetup. The manual talks about how the distance may bee off for the subwoofer, and not to worry about it. Manual blames it on signal processing in the subwoofer. Note I have a ep175 sub and my distance is more or less correct.
I also read where you're going to put your speakers on each side of the tv. I had my m22's on the tv stand and they were about 40" apart. I had my center speaker on the stand also. I was sitting about 12' back in a 12x16 room, and for me it was too much treble. I am guessing I had too many tweeters too close together. since then I have tried my setup in a larger room and it sounded better. Now I have my m22's on the floor and spread out about 9', and I like it much better, although am still tweaking things.
I dont really like the audysssy sp? eq mode at all. It sounds like a tunnel. am wondering what others think of it. have been mostly turning the eq off, sometimes using the 'front' setting.
I do realize you got some 60's, so things will be different for you. congrats on your purchase. I wish I had the patience for the outlet
Randy
Randy
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Also, any guidelines in how to calibrate the speakers. Using the Denon's automated speaker settings
Very good, Deepak, I'm sure that you'll enjoy your new speakers greatly. As to receivers such as the 1016 or 659(or Onkyo 604), there's no reason why they wouldn't work very well with your speakers, but you're now trying a 2807 which is excellent, so it's unclear why you're looking at other possibilities.
When you ask about "support" for 240V, it depends on what you mean. Yamaha and most manufacturers of course sell models in other countries for operation at 240V and often have a model which has a voltage selector for 120V/240V operation, but this isn't the model sold in N.America.
Re the auto setup, keep in mind that there're two separate parts: calibration of speaker levels and distances, etc. and a separate equalization process for room response. Results of the equalization vary, with some reporting significant improvement, while others report that it made things worse. The auto calibration, however, should be at least as accurate as could be done manually with the use of a SPL meter. The distance measurement for the sub that you describe isn't unusual, and the manual points out that the sub distance may be measured as considerably longer than the physical distance because of delays caused by the sub electronics.
Looking at your pictures, my feeling is go with the gray locations for the surrounds. I think the height and placment are best there. Just my vote.
I'd put the subwoofer on the front wall with the TV, between the TV and the right front speaker.
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Very good, Deepak, I'm sure that you'll enjoy your new speakers greatly. As to receivers such as the 1016 or 659(or Onkyo 604), there's no reason why they wouldn't work very well with your speakers, but you're now trying a 2807 which is excellent, so it's unclear why you're looking at other possibilities.
[Deepak] John, I have the funny feeling that when I return the DefTech ProCinema BestBuy is not going to let me keep the Denon for the price that I paid and I might have to purchase another receiver since they are going to ask me for full price on the Denon (1099).
When you ask about "support" for 240V, it depends on what you mean. Yamaha and most manufacturers of course sell models in other countries for operation at 240V and often have a model which has a voltage selector for 120V/240V operation, but this isn't the model sold in N.America.
[Deepak] There is a potential that I might be moving to a country where it is 240v. Does the subwoofer support 240v? Will have to look it up in the manual.
Re the auto setup, keep in mind that there're two separate parts: calibration of speaker levels and distances, etc. and a separate equalization process for room response. Results of the equalization vary, with some reporting significant improvement, while others report that it made things worse. The auto calibration, however, should be at least as accurate as could be done manually with the use of a SPL meter. The distance measurement for the sub that you describe isn't unusual, and the manual points out that the sub distance may be measured as considerably longer than the physical distance because of delays caused by the sub electronics.
[Deepak] Yeah, I will have to fiddle around with the setting and pick up a SPL meter from RadioShack. Anyone on the forum have a quick howto guide that they can point me to. I search for calibration, speaker calibration and spl but not much luck. I am a total newbie with audio/video stuff.
-Deepak
Yeah, initially I was thinking about putting the speaker right above the fireplace mantle, but the right side speak would have ended up lower than the left. Right now I am leaning towards the gray or the blue spot (speakers on stand). Will change the location of the subwoofer. Also, will ensure that the front speakers are good 7 to 9 feet apart.
The waiting game has started.
Thanks
-Deepak
I'm sure you are as excited as I am, I just ordered my system jan 2nd. 2xM60s, 1xVP150s, 1xEP500 and 2xQS8s.
I asked a similar question on the QS8s and axiom and this board say they are very forgiving. I will set mine about 2 feet about ear level but am forced to put them just infront of ear level rather than just behind. The alternative was about 7 feet behind. My room is 13 feet wide with a 13 foot left wall and a 30 foot right wall. I will have a sony Wega 60" rather than a screen, so based on furniture etc, the QS8s will be just in front of my ears (within a foot or less).
So from what I here these QS8s are very superior surrounds and the placement is not as crutial as other surrounds.
I will find out in about 6 weeks, when my basement is all finished and system set up.
>>[Deepak] Yeah, I will have to fiddle around with the setting and pick up a SPL meter from RadioShack. Anyone on the forum have a quick howto guide that they can point me to. I search for calibration, speaker calibration and spl but not much luck. I am a total newbie with audio/video stuff.>>
I suggest picking up the Avia Disk to assist you in calibrating your audio and video.
You can pick up the combo Avia Disk/SPL meter
here for $80 USD.
Thanks. I picked up the digital RadioShack SPL yesterday. Will the analog give me better results. Will pick up the Avia DVD next.
Thanks
-Deepak
Nice Work, Jack! Sticky-worthy!
Wow,
After reading some of those articles...man, I am kinda scared to get started into calibrating my theatre room. THe EQing is the thing that I am bothered by the most..
Hopefully it won't take too long...
Thanks Jack. Will print it out and read through and try it with the current deftech speaker system.
Question related to speaker cable: will 14gauge cable be ok or will I need 12gauge?
-Deepak
Depends on the how long the speaker cables have to be, and on the impedence of your speakers. Here is the ubiquitous
wire table which will show you what gauge(s) to use.
Got a message from Noreen and the Axiom's are on the way
. Wiring the room up while I wait for them to arrive.
Thanks for everyone's help.
-Deepak
That is great news! You are welcome.
It's good you are getting the wiring done beforehand. That way you take your time and aren't rushed. When those speakers arrive, you'll be ready to go.
Have fun
Ok the speakers have arrived and they are wired up
. Did a quick test and they sounded great, compared to the DefTech Pro1000A. Any suggestions for test movies to watch to get a feel for the speakers?
Onething that I noticed with the EP350 was that it required the receiver volume to be high before I saw the green light. I was playing the Mission Impossible 3 menu music and had to turn the volume on the Denon 2807 to ~-16db before I saw the green light on, if I turned it down one db it would turn to red pretty quickly
. Also, to hear the rumble I really have to turn on the volume on the ep350 to 3o'clock position which is not great.
I ran the Denon's auto speaker setup and it set the m60's as large is that what folks run the m60 as in your setup?
Thanks for the help. Looking forward to enjoying the Axiom.
-Deepak
Congrats!
A suggestion on the sub--make sure your Denon hasn't set the output level to -12 or something similar. That could be the source of your issues; I've seen it before with an EP500 and a Denon.
Deepak, on keeping the sub "awake", it's helpful to set the sub output level(this isn't the main volume control) on the Denon higher so that it puts out more voltage into the sub amp. The level control on the sub itself would then be lowered a little to keep the same overall sub output level.
On the Denon's auto calibration, it sets the M60s "large" because they have enough bass capability to justify that setting, but since the EP350 does even better in that area, it's suggested that you manually set all the speakers "small" with an 80Hz crossover. Allow the sub to handle the lowest bass frequencies which it does best. Enjoy.
Ah, so the stand-by bug strikes again. I had a whole thread trying to figure it out, with not much luck. As JohnK mentioned, crank the sub trim up on the receiver (I went as high as it could go) and calibrate the level using the volume on the sub. If need be, drop all your other speakers a few db's to create a larger difference in volume so that even more voltage gets sent to the sub for the same overall SPL output(as long as you can still turn the volume high enough for sufficient SPL). For me, I had the mains at -3 and the sub at +10, which 'usually' kept the sub on at decent levels. This was the best I could do to keep it on. My final solution was to upgrade to an EP500, but that's a hefty inventment to consider.
So I read another thread about this also.
I wonder if the other guy sent his sub back and this guy got it out of the factory outlet ?
Is this issue more common than that, and is it limited to the EP350?
Personally , I wouldnt like having to crank up or down the gain on the reciever that much. I may be excessive, but it seems like a way to introduce extra noise into the ciruit.
I dont think the problem has ever happened to me with EP175, but I probably dont expect much out of the sub at low volume levels, so maybe i just have missed it.
Randy
I read the whole thread related to your move from ep350 to ep500. Will try the suggestions on increasing the sub input level on the Denon to see if that helps. If not will have to look at alternative sub's, EP500, Hsu VTF2-MK3 (leading contender right now due to cost) or SVS PCi 20-39, SVS NSD / Plus lowend boxes.
Randy, I am the other guy and I don't believe he has my sub since it has been sitting in my front entrance for almost a week waiting for pick-up
.
dvaidya: If you can muster up the extra cost for the EP500, I would definately recommend it. It is an amazing sub and the extreme bass extension adds a new level to both music and movies. I'm not sure what finish you went with, but a big EP500 in High Gloss Cherry is breath taking. Have a look in my
other thread for some pics if you're interested. I haven't heard the other subs you mentioned, so I can't comment on them in comparison. I too was also considering both SVS and HSU, but once I had seen the finish on the EP350 I didn't want to go back to the big-black-box look
. Just my 2 cents.
Mine arrived the other day as well.....they look great, but alas, my basement won't be done for another month......but they look great in the corner there
P.S. for great movie suggestions look
here
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So I read another thread about this also.
I wonder if the other guy sent his sub back and this guy got it out of the factory outlet ?
Impossible. We've been told that the Factory Outlet only sells brand new items that have a very slight cosemtic flaw. Any returned items are sold to employees at discounted prices.
Found the following on SVS's FAQ website for good sub-test scenes and music.
http://www.svsound.com/questions-faqs.cfm#moviedemos
I think it is strange that so many people have problems with the 350. I owned one for over a year before upgrading to the 500. If I recall, the volume (gain) on the sub was 11-12 o'clock, which put the Denon levels for the sub channel around 0dB. Crossover on the sub was cranked to the maximum, since the receiver was managing at 80hz. I also kept everything set to small.
Never had a problem with the 350 going to sleep on my Denon 2805 which is an older model.