hello all Tool fans,

I have downloaded, via torrent, what claims to be 10,000 Days in DTS 5.1. I can't listen to it until I get home tomorrow night.

If I google it, I get nothing but torrents for it. No info whatsoever, and I can't find it on amazon.

Has anyone downloaded this? Heard it? Heard of it?

I bet that's just internet puffery to get you to download that version. Looks like no such recording exists, unless some techy took the regular version of the album and converted it into DTS, which would likely have no sonic benefit, and might not be as good as just a regular DVD/CD version.

I would just listen to the cd personally

I agree, my days of cheating are long over. How would you like to be a musician and have someone stealing/downloading your music.

sirquack,

I'd buy it in DTS if I could buy it. I'm pretty sure it's a fan remix.

I do own the regular CD.

Musicians are stuck making most of their money touring these days. Check out the info posted by Trent from the giveway or purchase for better quality of the new Saul Williams album. When given the chance, most people don't pay.

cool, no problem, I may have misunderstood... I used to spend a lot of time downloading stuff off limewire, napster, back in the day, just more important things going on now in my life to worry about a fine....

I still prefer to own the CD or DVD then I can break it down from there to what ever I need. Once it is downloaded in ripped form you never get back what is taken out and I find it noticeable.

he says he owns the regular cd. The 5.1 dvd is supposedly some kind of 'fan remix' so it is not available to buy.

I would question the quality of the 5.1 mix.

Let me know how it sounds if you did end up listening to it.

I've had mediocre luck with "special 5.1 mixes" of songs that I love and own in 2.0. A lot of the ones I've come across that are out there seem to just be more of a 2.0 mix just sending the right channel to both the front and rear right channels, and the left channel to both the front and rear left channels. Then they "mux" the right and left together for the center channel and usually trim out the low end and increase the higher frequencies, and then take any low frequencies and try to put them to the sub...

Most aren't very good and could be done yourself with some audio processing mode right on your receiver with the original CD.

The best 5.1 mixes you have to pay for, or at least are available for sale.

Regarding paying for a listen.

The new Radiohead album was free from their website. On average they made more money going with "voluntary" payments on their website than going through a distribution company. No discs needed to be pressed, no legals issues to deal with, just digital downloads.

It is my impression that they did quite well with the profits (more than they would have gotten if they distributed a physical media).

Sorry for jacking this thread!

Wouldn't the remixing described not be much different that running the CD through one of your receivers 5.1 processors?

Also, Hutz, glad your here. A question for you and other drummers.
One of the reasons I enjoy listening to some Tool stuff is their unusual drum style. I have no musical training so I can only best describe it as often seeming to be based on odd numbered beats instead of even. It's what caught my attention to this music as I remember that I suddenly realized I couldn't easily tap out the beat with my hand(s), as I often subconsciously do when I listen to any music. At least not until it forced me o pay closer attention and figure out what the heck he was doing.

Is there a name for this style of percusssion that seems to be odd numbered based. The half beats really throw you off. At first they seem random but then you realize they are being thrown in on an odd numbered count.

Does my description make sense? At first I wasn't sure if I liked it but now it's almost hypnotic to me and a big part of the appeal.

Although I'm still not much for their occasional lengthy tracks of not much but sound effects at barely audible levels.

sounds like "5 channel stereo" mode on my denon

Murph,

I don't listen to alot of tool, however I had drummer friends when I was in music school that listened to that stuff. Alot of their songs are in odd time signatures such as 5/4, 7/8, 9/4, I think they even have a song that is in 15/16.

They also mix and match time signatures within their songs, so they might start out as 4/4 for 2 phrases, then goto 7/8 for another 2 phrases, then 5/4 for 2, then back to 4/4.

Unless you know the song by heart it is impossible to tap your foot to the beat!

North Americans are VERY used to 4/4 timing ( don't think I have EVER heard a 5/4 song on the top 40). 4/4 is something that is easy to dance to, and understand for the average person.

Right you both are. While I play guitar and dance badly, I, too have an acuteness to the odd timings used by many alternative and metal bands out there. Zeppelin was prone to use a few odd timings in their later stuff, as were the Beatles, but more infrequently. Soundgarden is another good example of a band using weird time signatures.

It certainly makes the music more interesting, if a little less accessible, in my opinion. Whether its a Western bias to the symmetry of 4/4 time or the fact that so many pop music beats follow that pattern, I usually tend to not like off-timed songs the first couple of times you hear them. It makes it difficult to anticipate the vocals (like somebody is cutting out bits of the song everywhere). It's not until after you get used to the time signature that you can get into it. But that's what makes those songs fun, too - having to invest the time to get into them and all.

Thanks Hutz.
I had to google a bit to make sure I understood the timing references, 5/4 etc. Makes sense to me now. I found a neat page that has visual and audible references as to how to build a 5/4 beat for those who are interested in hearing what I meant.

5/4 beats

Capn,
Your absolutely right. Describing it as "like somebody is cutting out bits of the song everywhere" is exactly how I felt at first but you put it into better words.

I'm going to have to play closer attention to the drums on my next listen through my tool CD's.

Or you could just listen to Take Five by Dave Brubeck. Heck, listen to all of Time Out. The time signatures are in the liner notes.