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Posted By: Hansang Will the DSP in the EP500 protect the sub? - 11/09/08 04:13 AM
Question for you guys. Can the DSP prevent the sub from bottoming out too much? If you read the product literature, it pretty much says that the DSP will prevent dips and peaks and prevent it being over driven. Is that the consensus?

I ask because with DynamicEQ feature of Denon3808/Audyssey, my room literally shakes. Before DynamicEQ, the sub was impressive, but since I don't crank the volume too high, the bass was manageable. Now, DEQ does its job and boosts the LFE when required. I'm really afraid I may damage the subwoofer. The sound isn't distorted anything, but I don't want to take any chances. thanks.
Posted By: Ken.C Re: Will the DSP in the EP500 protect the sub? - 11/09/08 05:14 AM
As I understand it, that's what it's designed to do. Might be worth taking some dB measurements at the peak.
Hansang, the DSP is programmed to prevent over-driving the woofer. It will play right up to its limits and no further, but that's still ridiculously loud. \:\)
Never heard of anyone complaining that their room was shaking too much from a sub. Normally people are thinking it doesn't shake enough. :P
 Originally Posted By: Hansang
Question for you guys. Can the DSP prevent the sub from bottoming out too much?
It does, Mojo and I managed to bottom out the PB13-Ultra, while the EP600 never complained once, this was at insane levels too, I believe we were pushing 110-115db peaks.
Posted By: treyp Re: Will the DSP in the EP500 protect the sub? - 11/09/08 04:26 PM
I've cranked by EP500 as hard as my Yamaha 659 can push. No problems. Just house shaking fun.
 Originally Posted By: danmagicman7
Never heard of anyone complaining that their room was shaking too much from a sub. Normally people are thinking it doesn't shake enough. :P


Not complaints....Just scared!

Thanks everyone. I kinda knew EP500 would be a bit over the top for my room, but what the hell!! For the same reason, I may pick up the 1400-8, "just so I have'em" \:\)
Posted By: treyp Re: Will the DSP in the EP500 protect the sub? - 11/09/08 06:26 PM
My room is only 14x10... and I knew the EP500 was a bit over the top for it too but, in the end, I am very happy I bought it. The first time you fire up a Blu Ray and actually feel the pressure change in the room and the hairs on your arms move when the sub starts firing, you'll know you made the right call.

Please remind me the difference between the Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume control? Or are they one in the same?

Thanks,

Jason
Ive had the Ep600 playing as loud as it would go and it didnt bottom out. Just kept turning it up until it wouldnt get any louder anymore. They pretty much state its indestructible although I'm sure it could probably be fried playing sine waves at full power or something.
 Originally Posted By: myrison
Please remind me the difference between the Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume control? Or are they one in the same?

I took the time to answer my own question. For anyone else wondering...

 Quote:
Audyssey Dynamic EQ™ solves the problem of deteriorating sound quality as volume is decreased by taking into account human perception and room acoustics. Dynamic EQ selects the correct frequency response and surround levels moment-by-moment at any user-selected volume setting. The result is bass response, tonal balance, and surround impression that remain constant despite changes in volume. Dynamic EQ combines information from incoming source levels with actual output sound levels in the room, a prerequisite for delivering a loudness correction solution. Audyssey Dynamic EQ works in tandem with Audyssey MultEQ XT to provide well-balanced sound for every listener at any volume level.

Audyssey Dynamic Volume™ solves the problem of large variations
in volume level between television programs, commercials, and
between the soft and loud passages of movies.
Dynamic Volume looks at the preferred volume setting by the user and
then monitors how the volume of program material is being perceived
by listeners in real time to decide whether an adjustment is needed.
Whenever necessary, Dynamic Volume makes the necessary rapid
or gradual adjustments to maintain the desired playback volume
level while optimizing the dynamic range. Audyssey Dynamic EQ is
integrated into Dynamic Volume so that as the playback volume is
adjusted automatically, the perceived bass response, tonal balance,
surround impression, and dialog clarity remain the same whether
watching movies, flipping between television channels, or changing
from stereo to surround sound content.

I'm curious whether I would use these new features given that now, even after rerunning Audyssey with the tips document Jay posted, I still prefer the sound with Audyssey off. The Audyssey sound is MUCH better now than it was before I used all of the instructions in that document, but I still find the bass response to be attenuated more than I like when using Audyssey (which maybe is the way it "should" sound, but not my preference).

If I remember right, those here who purchased the upgrades felt Audyssey sounded better after the upgrade with these features turned on, so it could be that I'd be in the same boat. If anyone who purchased the upgrades felt this way before the upgrade, please let me know as it'll make me feel better about sinking the $100 into the upgrade.

Jason
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