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Posted By: Hansang How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/28/10 04:35 PM
So as I mentioned, I'm moving to a new condo. As we were trying to figure out where to mount the TV in the bedroom, I said, boy, On-Wall speakers would really look nice, don't you think? Which then elicited the typical wife-answer of "no, the TV speakers are just fine"

To make a long story short, she agreed to get the M22 On Wall speakers. Then I said, oh, we gotta get the VP150 On Wall as well. To which she replied "it'll look stupid with the TV surrounded by speakers....all boxed in like that."

So then this braniac shot back with "well, if we can't have the standard L/R/C, then there's no reason to get it"

She stood up, walked away with "that works for me!"

D'OH!!!!!!


Does anyone have a nice pic of in/on-Wall M22's and 150?
Posted By: Lampshade Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/28/10 04:45 PM
You are better off with just the left and right. If you get the center, then you will want surrounds and a sub too!

Also, I would get a hammer and knock big holes in the wall where the speakers would go. Tell her the choices are speakers or holes. (I moved my speakers when my wife moved in.)
Posted By: cb919 Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/28/10 06:36 PM
I've posted pics in the past of my setup. Here's the link to one of the threads.

There are also a few installs of the in/on walls that are much fancier looking than my fairly plain install. Hopefully those guys can post link as well for you.

Good luck!
Honestly, if I were just doing on-walls flanking a wall-mounted flat panel, I would only be looking at L & R anyway.

I don't see a need for a center when the L & R are only separated by the width of a screen, unless, as was said, surrounds and a sub are being added as well for a full HT experience.
I would just get a divorce. :p
Posted By: terzaghi Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/28/10 08:48 PM
I think 2 channels would be sufficient.
Posted By: grunt Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/28/10 09:03 PM
Originally Posted By: tehghost132
I would just get a divorce. :p


Best thing I ever did! wink

My advise is that it’s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission at that price point. If she wants a divorce over a set of speakers then your marriage was doomed anyway.
Posted By: Hansang Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/29/10 01:23 AM
Boy...some bitter (ex) married folks on this board! smile


Good point about the center channel (L/R distance etc.) So I just placed the M22 On-Wall speakers.

Thanks all.
Posted By: Hansang Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/29/10 03:44 PM
Originally Posted By: cb919
I've posted pics in the past of my setup. Here's the link to one of the threads.

There are also a few installs of the in/on walls that are much fancier looking than my fairly plain install. Hopefully those guys can post link as well for you.

Good luck!



BTW, Thanks for the link! I tried searching for it, but that didn't really pan out!
Posted By: Nick B Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/29/10 06:12 PM
While the divorce options suggested are a solution, they also seem a bit extreme. How about you just paint the grills so that it blends with the wall.

http://axiomaudio.com/paint-speaker-grilles.html

In wall speakers with this done would just about disappear. But, having a condo this might not be the best option. If you get on-wall speakers, with a custom finish that your wife picks out and paint the grills then she may be much more happy.
Posted By: Hansang Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/30/10 01:10 AM
Huh...never thought about painting the grille. But I'll see if I can hold off. With a black TV frame, the grille may blend in nicely. we'll see.
Posted By: michael_d Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 11/30/10 01:31 AM
Or just order the speakers, and grills, whatever color you want to blend. Options available are many.

I have a system with the R/L about six feet apart with the TV above them. I sure wish I had a center channel. I'm not a fan of the mixed stereo. You loose too much dialogue with that set up.
Posted By: dakkon Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 05:47 AM
you did not give the room dimensions....

my room is a 10X10 room, and i have L/R/C. to be honest, i should have saved myself the money that i spent on the center. if anything i would recommend a 2.1 system. if you set the speakers up correctly, you won't miss the center, do you plan on aiming for best acoustics?...

just food for though.

and i am a big fan of a large center, as i have a vp180 in the family room.. so i am not against having a center, just in this specific application i do not think it is entirely needed..
Posted By: Worfzara Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 01:48 PM
Hi Hansang

I think you have a carbon copy of my wife. Cuz that is exactly the way it would have godne down in my home.

I do think that a L&R setup in a bedroom would work quite good. Imaging on Axiom speakers is excellent. |You really should have quit while you were ahead.

I also like the 2.1 idea. You can hide a small sub, even under the bed if you had too.

It would be like in those cheap motels, only you don't have to put a quarter in, just a really good action movie - LOL!

pn
Posted By: dakkon Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 05:20 PM
i have an 8" JBL in my room, and for the space it is perfect. i think i have the gain set to 1/2 or somewhere around there, you could even put it in the closet depending on how your room is designed, and if you keep your closet doors open?

or do a little wood working, and build yourself some closet doors, and use grill cloth to cover them laugh
Posted By: chesseroo Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 07:08 PM
Originally Posted By: michael_d
Or just order the speakers, and grills, whatever color you want to blend. Options available are many.

I have a system with the R/L about six feet apart with the TV above them. I sure wish I had a center channel. I'm not a fan of the mixed stereo. You loose too much dialogue with that set up.

Indeed.

The options today, especially from Axiom, will broadly suit anyone's decor.
Speakers and related accessories are designed for subtle aesthetics so much so that many manufacturers build speakers with more form than function.
But at least they look good.

If you are going with both L/R anyway, adding a centre channel will kick the hell out of the tv speakers and seriously provide a much clearer dialogue.
Posted By: jakewash Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 08:03 PM
The ability to adjust center channel levels for dialogue is the main reason to run one, IMO.
Do receivers let you adjust the center channel level if you're running a Phantom Center?
BTW,I wonder if Dana will now have a Phantom Center Channel even if there's an actual speaker there? ::runs away spooked::
Posted By: Ya_basta Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 08:26 PM
Mark, are you okay today? Oh, wait, never mind grin .
Posted By: snazzed Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 09:13 PM
Originally Posted By: dakkon
... or do a little wood working, and build yourself some closet doors, and use grill cloth to cover them laugh


OMG that is the BEST IDEA EVER! Closet doors that look like GIANT IN-WALL SPEAKERS! If I ever get a divorce, I'll be doing that in my master bedroom!

snazzed
Posted By: Hansang Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/08/10 11:45 PM
smile Thanks everyone. I acquiesced and ordered a pair of on-wall M22's. The bedroom is 13' X 21' by 8' (LWH). I actually ran all the cables (component, ethernet, HDMI, IR emitter, and speaker cables) in the wall so it should workout fine. All the settop boxes, Marantz 5001, blu-ray etc is going to sit in a closet.

Interestingly, I didn't know M22 on-walls were ported on the bottom.

So my living will be M80's, VP180, QS8's and EP500. Bedroom will be just two M22. I may bring the EP175 from my other place, but honestly, in the bedroom I don't really need the sub. And EP175, to me, is a little underwhelming compared to the EP500 (not surprising when you consider the price differential.

The next upgrade will probably be another M80's for WIDE use. But we'll see how that pans out.
Posted By: ClubNeon Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/09/10 01:26 AM
Haha, "pans".
Posted By: spiffnme Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/09/10 01:42 AM
While the sound isn't quite on par with my old M60/VP150 setup, there's no denying how much better my living room looks now. That said, this still sounds darn nice. smile


Posted By: spiffnme Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/09/10 01:43 AM
Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Honestly, if I were just doing on-walls flanking a wall-mounted flat panel, I would only be looking at L & R anyway.

I don't see a need for a center when the L & R are only separated by the width of a screen, unless, as was said, surrounds and a sub are being added as well for a full HT experience.


That just means your TV isn't big enough.
Posted By: Hansang Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/09/10 01:55 AM
Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Haha, "pans".


Which reminds me. Check out http://damnyouautocorrect.com/

It's HILARIOUS!
Posted By: Hansang Re: How *NOT* to negotiate with your wife - 12/09/10 01:57 AM
Originally Posted By: spiffnme
While the sound isn't quite on par with my old M60/VP150 setup, there's no denying how much better my living room looks now. That said, this still sounds darn nice. smile


Very nice!
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