Surround speaker set up

Posted by: 72mustang

Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 07:06 PM

I'm going to hook up my rear qs8's. On the back of my receiver ( pioneer elite receiver ) I have 2 separate surround hook ups. I placed my qs8's on the rear of the side wall. ( about a foot away from back wall ) question... which hookup would I use ? Surround or rear surround ?
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 07:45 PM

rear
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By Socketman
rear



Sounds right.... but why? And.... is there a different signal going to the other connection? I'm wondering if I have to go into tje receiver to cancel out the ( side ) surroundi? Or would this be done in the movie set up option on each DVD ? Or is it just a simple set it and forget it ?
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 10:28 PM

Rear surrounds are to be added to an already setup 5.1 system. Dolby PLiix or Pliiz uses information from other speakers when a 7.1 track is not being played. You cant really use the rears in lieu of side surrounds. If you want it to be 5.1 with the surrounds at rear which is not correct placement the you would connect to the surround output on the receiver.
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By Socketman
Rear surrounds are to be added to an already setup 5.1 system. Dolby PLiix or Pliiz uses information from other speakers when a 7.1 track is not being played. You cant really use the rears in lieu of side surrounds. If you want it to be 5.1 with the surrounds at rear which is not correct placement the you would connect to the surround output on the receiver.


I'm confused. On your first post you said to use the rear. On your next one you said to use the side ( surround ).

I'm only using one set of speakers for my rear/side 5.1 I guess you call it. I put them on my side wall but close to the back wall. I didn't want them on the back as I only have a half back wall and my couch I would be directly under the rear speakers ( about 3 feet above my head ) so I chose to put them on the side walls which placed them about 2 feet from the rear wall.
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 11:04 PM

Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 11:05 PM

Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 11:06 PM

If you want the speakers on the back wall behind the couch that would be rear surround. Where you have the QS's on the side like that would be considered to be just the surround speakers for a 5.1 so that would be connected to the surround output on your receiver. That is also what you would choose in the setup menu which will have a graphic to demonstrate that placement. Sorry for the confusion.
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 11:13 PM




You can see the left speaker is between back wall and a window. I can't move it anymore forward as my OCD will kill me if it's not even between back wall and window. The right rear speaker can only go,where it's at because of the room layout. I do not want it above the couch. Even on low it will dominate front speakers as it would be directly above my head.
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By Socketman
If you want the speakers on the back wall behind the couch that would be rear surround. Where you have the QS's on the side like that would be considered to be just the surround speakers for a 5.1 so that would be connected to the surround output on your receiver. That is also what you would choose in the setup menu which will have a graphic to demonstrate that placement. Sorry for the confusion.


You say set up menu with a graphic. Would that set up through receiver or through DVD player on options for setup ?
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/30/17 11:29 PM

In the receiver setup you will find a setting to assign which speakers you have so it outputs to the correct rear connections. If you havent done anything it should be set to default 5.1
Posted by: AAAA

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 05:33 AM

In a 5.1 setup your surround channels are Surround Right and Surround Left. Don't assign any rears. Change the option to none for the rear amp assign. Your AVR will downmix the incoming 7.1 content to 5.1 if available. The content from the rear channels will be directed back into the speakers you have in your 5.1 surround config.

You threw us all for a loop when you started with "I'm installing my rear surrounds." You have none in this setup. smile

Posted by: MatManhasgone

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 07:23 AM

This sounds like a confusing mess.

I think you could simplify the conversation by say.


If you are setting up for 5.1 surround. No matter where the surround speakers are put, you use the surround jack on your Pioneer.

if you are setting up for 7.1 surround. You need to have the speakers hooked into your surround jack on the side walls. You need to have the speakers hooked into your rear jack on the back wall behind the seating.



if you don't hook them up this way then your Pioneer will not know where to decode the correct sound to. If you have the Pioneer setup for 5.1, all the surround sound goes to the surround jack.
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 10:09 AM

I cannot find anywhere in my manual where to look to see about a 5.1 or 7.1 speaker set up to see what it's set up for. It's a vtx 82
Posted by: Cohesion

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 10:24 AM

Is this the manual for your receiver?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/vgn/im...nstructions.pdf

It looks like it has speaker connection instructions starting at about page 17. These do include diagrams and the text confirms that for a 5.1 configuration you should connect your two new surround speakers as left and right surrounds. If you ever want to add one or two more speakers as rear surrounds there are instructions with diagrams for that too!
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 10:30 AM

Originally Posted By Cohesion
Is this the manual for your receiver?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/vgn/im...nstructions.pdf

It looks like it has speaker connection instructions starting at about page 17. These do include diagrams and the text confirms that for a 5.1 configuration you should connect your two new surround speakers as left and right surrounds. If you ever want to add one or two more speakers as rear surrounds there are instructions with diagrams for that too!


Yes, that's the one. Yes... I hooked up as per the picture. But.... what I can't find is where it was mentioned in an earlier post by socketman so see/check what setup the receiver is putting out and making it a 5.1 ( he said it should default to 5.1'if it was not frigged with ).
Posted by: cb919

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 10:44 AM

Originally Posted By Serenity_Now
In a 5.1 setup your surround channels are Surround Right and Surround Left. Don't assign any rears. Change the option to none for the rear amp assign. Your AVR will downmix the incoming 7.1 content to 5.1 if available. The content from the rear channels will be directed back into the speakers you have in your 5.1 surround config.


Hi Mustang, Serenity has this absolutely correct. I also have a Pioneer receiver (running 7.1 configuration). On page 44 of your receivers user guide in the manual speaker setup section, make sure you have the Surround Back speakers set to 'No'. For a 5.1 configuration, your QS8's get connected to the 'Surround' connections, not the 'Surround Back' connections.
The QS8's are quite forgiving on position, so even if they are closer to the back wall as regular surrounds I'm guessing they'll still sound good.
Hope that helps.
Posted by: 72mustang

Re: Surround speaker set up - 01/31/17 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By cb919
Originally Posted By Serenity_Now
In a 5.1 setup your surround channels are Surround Right and Surround Left. Don't assign any rears. Change the option to none for the rear amp assign. Your AVR will downmix the incoming 7.1 content to 5.1 if available. The content from the rear channels will be directed back into the speakers you have in your 5.1 surround config.


Hi Mustang, Serenity has this absolutely correct. I also have a Pioneer receiver (running 7.1 configuration). On page 44 of your receivers user guide in the manual speaker setup section, make sure you have the Surround Back speakers set to 'No'. For a 5.1 configuration, your QS8's get connected to the 'Surround' connections, not the 'Surround Back' connections.
The QS8's are quite forgiving on position, so even if they are closer to the back wall as regular surrounds I'm guessing they'll still sound good.
Hope that helps.


yes..... for the SB..... it's showing NO. So I'm good to,go. Yeahhhhh. My room as you can tell by the pictures is not the best layout for a home theatre. Split entry. I can't place speakers in a true surround as one one side wall there is a window and no room to put on top of the window and I don't have a second wall for the other side ( well.. I do.. but it's a half wall and the other half is another 12 feet more away.