Hey Guys newbe here with a question. Who here thinks, maybe the M22's would make for better rears than qs 8's. All opinions are welcome, Thanks in advance......

I have had them both but before I throw in my 2 cents. What is your movie to music ratio and what are your mains?

Actually about 50/50. My vp150 center sounds great,my wife was the first to notice perhaps a lack in "rear surround sound" after I had promised her, well.... "great surround sound" I recently just purchased the Denon3805 and i'm finding I have to turn the rears up +10 db's to really hear the effects. So my thought is maybe I just simply need a more "direct" speaker in order to accomplish this, as stated earlier I'm the New Newbie on the block

You have the QS8's now? Anyway, I prefer a direct speaker which is why I gave up on the QS8's and went with M3's in the back. The QS8's sounded great on movies but so so for music. I'm running the 3805 also but +10? Holy crap. I have my M3's at 0 and they hum right along. Have you run the test tone on the Denon?

Let me know if your running the QS8's.

K,welcome. If you ran the automatic calibration with your 3805, the level of the surrounds should need little or no tweaking. As John said, turning them up 10dB indicates that something's wrong. If the level calibration is correct, it's possible that your expectations(or even worse, what you told your wife)may not be totally realistic. Often the surround effects are relatively subtle and aren't meant to be heard loudly. On occasion in movies and multi-channel music a specific performer or other event is placed in the surround channel and is meant to be clearly and loudly heard, but this isn't the situation most of the time. As a broad generalization, a direct radiating speaker is a little better with those discrete sounds, while the multi-directional types of surrounds are better at reproducing the ambience type sounds which are more frequent.

Some movies don't make as much use of surround sound as others. Here is a thread with recommendations of good surround sound DVD's. I think the QS8's do a great job, but the surround sound isn't constantly present. Try the helicopter scene in the Matrix, or the battle scenes in Master and Commander, or the car crash in Adaptation. If you aren't blown away by what surround sound adds to the movie experience, then something must be wrong . . . .

Kiwi,

I use the M22's as surrounds instead of the QS8's partially due to my liking direct radiating speakers and not wanting to put the 14 odd holes in the wall of a rent house I am currently in. They work extremely well in that capacity...although the QS8's have been the darlings of any review I have read regarding Axiom sets of speakers.

Here's another idea: It may do you justice to reset the receiver's settings to defaults and re-calibrate. Whether or not you use the auto setup / equalization feature on the 3805 may render you different results...SPL meter and AVIA disk has served me well so far...although I covet a Denon 3805... but not necessarily for the auto setup feature.

You may want to try the above first before considering shelling out more cash for an additional set of speakers that you may not need.

BTW, Denver, your link does not work...

Hope this helps,

WhatFurrer

My bad. Another try.