Axiom EP350 or HSU VTF - 3 sub-woofer?

I am trying to decide between these two subs - the axiom or the HSU. I will be using the home theatre system to watch a crap load of movies, but I am also addicted to music so i'll want really phat bass with good clarity.

Phat? Phat? Hmm... I'll make a generalization here 'cause that's what I do best, but I assume someone looking for phat bass wants the bottom end to completely overpower the mids and highs. He wants to elect Mr. Whoomp over Mr. Mid and Mr. Sizzle. If that's the case, look for something ludicrously huge... like an SVS the size of a small skyscraper - and may the audio gods have mercy on your everlasting soul.

If I've mischaracterized your request and you're looking for good tight bass reproduction to fill in below the useful range of your full range speakers, I'd suggest the Hsu or Axiom 10" drivers (EP175/VTF-2) - 10" drivers are good and punchy (there's a reason good bass guitar cabinets use 10" arrays), although the Axiom products use aluminum woofers which help tighten up the sloppy sound of large drivers (not sure what Hsu and SVS use).

Bren R.

the sub question has been discussed here on several different threads.. if you go into the 'search' part of the message board and put in, 'subs' or 'HSU', you will find more info to investigate than you could possibly imagine.

general idea is that the axiom subs are good, and the HSU's are better.. for the price, i think you would get more bang with the HSU. but, dont forget, depending on your budget, the new axiom 'super' subs are due out in the next few months, and they are supposed to be better than them all.. but price is over $1000...

bigjohn

EDIT- hey bren... welcome back man... nice to see you.. i have missed your dry wit, and senseless humor..

. not to mention, your expertise..!! stick around a while!!

I'm not to sure what Phat bass is but I would opt for the VTF-3MK2.I have dual Vtf-2's and can say they do perform way above what you think is possible for the money.

I happen to like my SVS which also happens to be the size of a small skyscraper! :-) I like the cylinder design and the engineering reasons for doing it in cylinder form. Hell everyone here always goes on about HSU this and that but did you ever notice when you get in to there line of subs over $1000.00 it goes cylinder? SVS subs do music just fine and dandy. I have no idea how come some people think they don't. Not sure if it matters but the SVS PC-Ultra that I'm running if I'm not mistaken uses a 12" metal woofer.

Hello NeverHappy,

Hope you are well. Yes the PC-Plus and PC-Ultra use aluminum 12" drivers. Your PC-Ultra is better than the Plus line by a hair or two, that is a nice sub.

The SVS PCi line use a paper/kevlar reinforced driver.

Later,

TonyM

I'm sure the Svs subs are great but he only listed the Axiom and Hsu subs there for I thought the VTF-3 would be the better choice of the two.

The more I hear about the VTF-3 the more I want to try one out. I'm sure they are a kickass sub to say the least.

wid, you are right on the money. I tend to jump the gun to a fault and feel the need sometimes to defend SVS just a little!

I don't know why but no one has talked about the Outlaw Audio Sub. Any thoughts. I have one and it is great.

The Outlaw is a nice sub and HSU had a hand in it but I don't think it stacks up to well against the elite stuff from HSU or SVS.

Neverhappy,

I think you should get yourself a VTF-3 and see if you would indeed like it.If not you could always sell it to me,at a deep discount of course

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Rick,
If you can get it pass my wife, I'm in! :-)

Do ya think it would work?The real problem would be is you would like the Vtf-3 so much you would want me to buy the SVS.That would work too

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Woooooooooooooooo there. I'm not so sure the HSU would make me want to give up my SVS but it would be fun playing around with both!

O' well Can't blame a man for trying

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I always love to read a post like that one NeverHappy. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside about my purchase..

I agree, it may not match up against HSU or SVS's "elite" stuff but those elite items are a little higher in price range as well.

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a little higher in price range as well

Yes they are. Like I said before that Outlaw sub and Outlaw stuff in general is darn nice stuff! For most people it will work just fine. My only compaint with that sub is it doesn't keep control down low as well as the SVS and better HSU's do. The SVS is a little better with music. Is it 3 times the price better? that depends I guess on what you consider to much money etc. For me $1000.00 on a sub isn't a lot of money. If I had more money to spend on a sub, I would have spent it in a heartbeat. To me a good sub is crucial.
I'm just one of those dumb people that wants to have stuff that is as close to the best as possible! If I was running the LFM I would have 2. Why? No reason. That's just the way I am! lol

I'm not a sub expert (heck I aint an anything expert), but I sure like my Outlaw. I have the X-over set at the minimum (40) and the volume in the middle and it blends in nicely with the M80's. I do not listen to movies, just music. The room it's in is 32X26 with cathedral ceilings. I can here the sub everywhere. If I crank it up, it sounds like one of them little rice burners with the fart cans that thump by. I wouldn't discount it.

My music tastes are rock, hard rock, more rock, some country and even a little bit of that mello Irish stuff. No rap or dance.

......mike

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My only compaint with that sub is it doesn't keep control down low as well as the SVS and better HSU's do.

That's interesting. NeverHappy...you have an Ultra...right? Your control comment is partly how I felt about my VTF-3 when I compared it to 20-39PC+, and to a lesser degree, the PB1+. The VTF-3 seemed to have better control and articulation throughout. In fact, I thought the STF-2 had better control as well...just not the output or the ability to play lower hz.

Thanks for all you help fellas.....and by the way my definition of phat bass: bass that resonates in your SOUL!

I'm onboard with Curtis, but i never compared the Hsu.
Just waiting for Bren to finally purchase. [hint]

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Just waiting for Bren to finally purchase. [hint]

Ahh, CCRA and house renos are keeping the mad money to a minimum right now.

Sometimes I really consider going on the Willie Nelson income tax plan.

Bren R.

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My only compaint

I can't believe I didn't catch that spelling boo boo. You know your a redneck when you use the word compaint instead of complaint! lol